# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/621 "2010-10-21T21:48:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > They do, but you call them stupid. Invariably. And more will come, and you will call them stupid. Invariably. Rinse and repeat, ad infinitum. > > Given your unfailing propensity for calling everyone you disagree with “stupid”, or a “moron”, or variations thereof, I’d be keenly interested to know your I.Q. and/or level of educational acheivement. You know, something that would give us at least a hint as to your standing or qualifications to declare so many people stupid…because, you know, your posts themselves fall waaay short. > > 🙂 Holy shit, I knew he’d show up. It’s like blood in the water. A conservative is in trouble and **Starving Artist** rushes in to complain about name calling. For the record, this is the start of what the evil liberals think of as stupid: > [@Morella](#): > > Religion is total bullshit, and should be abolished. > The EPA and most other regulatory agencies should be abolished. > All prescription drugs should be freely available to adults. No drugs should be illegal. > Gays should not be allowed to legally marry, but they can do anything else they want to do, as long as the government doesn’t have to pay the bill for their AIDS. > Antitrust regulations should be toughened. > No American company should be allowed to use foreign labor. > Any person living in this country illegally should be shot. > Welfare, public education, and social security should be abolished. > No free health care, for anyone. > > Does any party align with all of these ideas? No. I will vote conservative, despite the fact that I obviously disagree with much of the conservative agenda, because it is the lesser of all of the evils. I won’t hate black people, and I won’t praise Jesus, whether the party that I have chosen to vote for does or not. That’s what we all have to do…pick our side. It’s not a perfect world. Are you really suggesting that we can’t call that stupid? ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/622 "2010-10-21T21:50:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > However, assuming someone is not intelligent because they think that illegal aliens should be shot is perfectly reasonable. It’s a sign that they can’t model situations in a remotely realistic manner. It’s a cartoon view of reality that bespeaks an inability to think hard or deep. Don’t forget the shit about gays and AIDS. That was 1980’s stupid. Next she’ll bitch about the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/623 "2010-10-21T21:53:46Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I only call people stupid who do stupid things. Disagree with me all you want. I want disagreements. Ignore facts to support your “gut instinct” and I’ll call you stupid. > > There are people in this very thread that are more educated than me. That doesn’t mean they can’t hold stupid ideas. For instance, thinking that liberals have been working to destroy society for the last fifty years is a stupid idea. And anyone seriously holding it is simply unable to think hard enough to gain a reasonable view of reality. > > Surely we can both agree about that, right? As it is stated, not necessarily, because there are liberals who believe in a cause, and there are people who take advantage of them. I think that most liberals are good-hearted people who want to build a better world, but, their idea of what a better world is is different than mine, and the world that they want to build is not realistic. To complicate matters further, there is a threat that the Founding Fathers knew of all too well, which is the threat of a big government, and there are many people, within Big Business and Professional Politics, who are counting on the liberal vote to further their goals in that direction. There is another problem as well, which is racism. The racists who make up the Democratic Party prey on the good feelings and intentions of the feeble-minded to support their racist agenda. Did you know that Civil Rights was filibustered by the Democratic Party in 1964, and that many Democratic Party officials have been high-ranking members of the Ku Klux Klan? Unfortunately, these racists are not the simple-minded rednecks of the past. They have become more sophisticated, and learned how to hide. They try to hide their racism by accusing others of practicing it, much as people who have homosexual feelings often try to hide them by calling other people gay. It’s transparent to me, but a lot of people buy into it. I consider myself a middle of the roader, mostly because people who are fanatical in any direction, religious, political, or whatever, come across as stupid, and they bore me. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/624 "2010-10-21T22:00:58Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You ignore things that do not fit the narrative that you’ve decided to internalize. But since you’re stupid enough to think that shooting illegal aliens is an intelligent policy plan, I suspect that you simply are unable to do any better. Again, let’s argue about what I’ve said, not what you think I said, or what you wish I said. I did not say that shooting anyone was an intelligent policy plan. > [@](#): > > You sound angry. You sound like an angry old failure that can’t cut it in her/his business and flails around blaming the government for her/his stumbles. I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m doing better than most business the size of mine, which is not very big. I used my business only as an example of why taxes should be lowered. What is true for my business is true for any other…lower our taxes and we can hire more people. Lower taxes boost the economy, and will bring in more tax revenue in the long run. This has always been true, yet there are still idiots who believe that they can tax our way out of a recession. Bush/Obama are two of these idiots. You, and others here, have gone off on many tangents trying to discredit what I said, and I have gone along with it, mostly for amusement value, but my original point has never been refuted. Lower my taxes, and I’ll hire someone, if that person can make me money. Only a fool would not do that. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/625 "2010-10-21T22:04:54Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > As it is stated, not necessarily, because there are liberals who believe in a cause, and there are people who take advantage of them. I think that most liberals are good-hearted people who want to build a better world, but, their idea of what a better world is is different than mine, and the world that they want to build is not realistic. It is more realistic than a world where illegal aliens are shot. > [@](#): > > To complicate matters further, there is a threat that the Founding Fathers knew of all too well, which is the threat of a big government, and there are many people, within Big Business and Professional Politics, who are counting on the liberal vote to further their goals in that direction. Big Government is a mindless platitude that doesn’t mean anything. Some regulations are necessary. It is cheaper to throw pollution into streams. Businesses will do it unless a regulation says they can’t. So if you want your children to have unpolluted streams some level of environmental regulation is necessary. The exact number and amount of regulations is what we should be having the argument about, not some silly bullshit idea about abolishing the EPA. > [@](#): > > There is another problem as well, which is racism. The racists who make up the Democratic Party prey on the good feelings and intentions of the feeble-minded to support their racist agenda. Did you know that Civil Rights was filibustered by the Democratic Party in 1964, and that many Democratic Party officials have been high-ranking members of the Ku Klux Klan? Unfortunately, these racists are not the simple-minded rednecks of the past. They have become more sophisticated, and learned how to hide. They try to hide their racism by accusing others of practicing it, much as people who have homosexual feelings often try to hide them by calling other people gay. It’s transparent to me, but a lot of people buy into it. You’re a fucking tool. Look up the Southern Strategy and inform yourself about the last fifty years of history for fuck sake. Cliff’s Notes: The racist Democrats became Republicans. That’s why the Pubs own the South now. Srsly. Look it up. > [@](#): > > I consider myself a middle of the roader, mostly because people who are fanatical in any direction, religious, political, or whatever, come across as stupid, and they bore me. You aren’t middle of the road. You’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/626 "2010-10-21T22:08:31Z")
I think, “the homos want the government to pay for AIDS” would make a great sig line. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/627 "2010-10-21T22:11:12Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > What is true for my business is true for any other…lower our taxes and we can hire more people. Lower taxes boost the economy, and will bring in more tax revenue in the long run. This has always been true, yet there are still idiots who believe that they can tax our way out of a recession. Bush/Obama are two of these idiots. The US has been running at a massive deficit. Lowering taxes would only make that worse. It most certainly NOT increase revenue, because it simply means more interest payments on the debt. You claim to be a small business owner. Why not lower your prices? I heard that if you keep lowering your prices, you’ll get more business, and then you’ll have more revenue. What could possibly go wrong? > [@Morella](#): > > You, and others here, have gone off on many tangents trying to discredit what I said, I assure you, you’ve done more to discredit yourself than anyone else here. Re: gays and AIDS > [@Morella](#): > > and I have gone along with it, mostly for amusement value, but my original point has never been refuted. Lower my taxes, and I’ll hire someone, if that person can make me money. Only a fool would not do that. This has been refuted over and over and over. And as it stands, only a fool would suggest such a thing. The kind of fool that still associates gays with AIDS, and would suggest shooting illegal aliens. You claim to be in trucking, how significant is the cost of fuel to your ability to hire more staff? How about insurance rates? Are taxes really the only thing you have to bitch about? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/628 "2010-10-21T22:11:56Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Again, let’s argue about what I’ve said, not what you think I said, or what you wish I said. I did not say that shooting anyone was an intelligent policy plan. > > I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m doing better than most business the size of mine, which is not very big. I used my business only as an example of why taxes should be lowered. What is true for my business is true for any other…lower our taxes and we can hire more people. Lower taxes boost the economy, and will bring in more tax revenue in the long run. This has always been true, yet there are still idiots who believe that they can tax our way out of a recession. Bush/Obama are two of these idiots. > > You, and others here, have gone off on many tangents trying to discredit what I said, and I have gone along with it, mostly for amusement value, but my original point has never been refuted. Lower my taxes, and I’ll hire someone, if that person can make me money. Only a fool would not do that. Your taxes are a cost of doing business. Your competitors pay the same taxes. If your rates don’t allow you to hire additional people to increase your profit, raise them. If your competitors can out-compete you, the problem isn’t your taxes. It’s your business. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/629 "2010-10-21T22:12:18Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > That was 1980’s stupid. Wow. 1980’s stupid. Not just stupid but over gelled hair, bad clothes and shit music stupid. That’s a fierce condemnation. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/630 "2010-10-21T22:12:45Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I think, “the homos want the government to pay for AIDS” would make a great sig line. Stop twisting her words to discredit her! That’s such a liberal thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/631 "2010-10-21T22:13:24Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > Don’t forget the shit about gays and AIDS. That was 1980’s stupid. Next she’ll bitch about the Russians. I bet Ronnie wouldn’t let the gays steal healthcare for their butt-aids! RonnieeEEE!!11one ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/632 "2010-10-21T22:20:28Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It is more realistic than a world where illegal aliens are shot. I already pointed out that this was not realistic. This is where I part company with the liberals. I understand that there are some things that I want, that are not realistic, and that these things are not going to happen. Liberals try to get together and get the government to force people to do things, whether they are realistic or not. > [@](#): > > Big Government is a mindless platitude that doesn’t mean anything. Some regulations are necessary. It is cheaper to throw pollution into streams. Businesses will do it unless a regulation says they can’t. So if you want your children to have unpolluted streams some level of environmental regulation is necessary. The exact number and amount of regulations is what we should be having the argument about, not some silly bullshit idea about abolishing the EPA. I would love to abolish the EPA. We can have specific regulations about dumping toxic wastes without an EPA or, more recently, a Department of Energy, which is a contradiction in terms. > [@](#): > > You aren’t middle of the road. You’re an idiot. Yes, as is anyone else who disagrees with you. I get it. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/633 "2010-10-21T22:28:23Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > The US has been running at a massive deficit. Lowering taxes would only make that worse. It most certainly NOT increase revenue, because it simply means more interest payments on the debt. In the short term, yes. I the long term, economic recovery brought about by lowered taxes would raise the tax revenue. > [@](#): > > You claim to be a small business owner. Why not lower your prices? I heard that if you keep lowering your prices, you’ll get more business, and then you’ll have more revenue. What could possibly go wrong? Obviously you don’t understand how my business works. I have a broker who bids freight. Whether or now we get the freight depends on us having the equipment in the right place, and being competitive with other bidders. Fortunately, my broker is very good at what he does, nobody sits idle for more than a few hours, and my business is growing. It would grow more quickly, and I could hire more people, if my taxes were lowered. > [@](#): > > I assure you, you’ve done more to discredit yourself than anyone else here. Re: gays and AIDS All material on gays and AIDS is for amusement only, and most people here seem to be intelligent enough to be taking it as such. > [@](#): > > This has been refuted over and over and over. And as it stands, only a fool would suggest such a thing. The kind of fool that still associates gays with AIDS, and would suggest shooting illegal aliens. Umm…didn’t we just determine that two-thirds of AIDS patients actually admitted to being homosexual? > [@](#): > > You claim to be in trucking, how significant is the cost of fuel to your ability to hire more staff? How about insurance rates? Are taxes really the only thing you have to bitch about? Bitching? Is that what we’re here to do? If bitching is what you want, there are all sorts of things that I could bitch about. I was making a point about the effects of taxation on jobs, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/634 "2010-10-21T22:32:53Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I only call people stupid who do stupid things. Disagree with me all you want. I want disagreements. Ignore facts to support your “gut instinct” and I’ll call you stupid. > > There are people in this very thread that are more educated than me. That doesn’t mean they can’t hold stupid ideas. For instance, thinking that liberals have been working to destroy society for the last fifty years is a stupid idea. Certainly it is. Which is why no one I’m aware of has said such a thing. Still, to say that liberals have inadvertently or unconcernedly ruined much of what was previously good about American society, and that as a consequence they have brought about many of many of the problems we face today, it would not be an inaccurate observation. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/635 "2010-10-21T22:39:01Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > Stop twisting her words to discredit her! That’s such a liberal thing to do. QED ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/636 "2010-10-21T22:39:47Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Your taxes are a cost of doing business. Your competitors pay the same taxes. If your rates don’t allow you to hire additional people to increase your profit, raise them. > > If your competitors can out-compete you, the problem isn’t your taxes. It’s your business. Taxes are bad for everyone. Competition has nothing to do with it. As I said, other businesses have the same issues that I do. My business is only one example that I used, to make the point, that… IF TAXES ARE LOWER, BUSINESSES CAN AFFORD TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE Got it? Now, my business is shipping. The cost of shipping raises the cost of products, all products. Nearly everything that you buy arrives by truck, and most products are shipped around from one business to another during manufacture. The taxes that shippers pay are added to the total cost of goods produced, which makes it more difficult for a US manufacturor to compete with others, which means that many of them cannot stay in business and jobs are lost. JOBS ARE LOST, BECAUSE OF HIGH TAXES Because of the nature of shipping and manufacture, every tax ends up being a tax upon a tax, upon a tax. I’m not saying that taxes are the only thing that causes jobs to be lost. Unions are a big problem as well, but lowering the taxes is the best “stimulus” we’re going to get for the buck. Government programs to build roads, for instance, will only help improve things if there is going to be commerce using those roads, and the same taxes that build the roads are interfering with commerce. As much as I would like to have nicer roads (isn’t my IFTA supposed to be used for that?), it’s just another dumbassed idea. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/637 "2010-10-21T22:42:48Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > In the short term, yes. I the long term, economic recovery brought about by lowered taxes would raise the tax revenue. Prove it. Did it work for Bush 43 when he lowered taxes? > [@Morella](#): > > It would grow more quickly, and I could hire more people, if my taxes were lowered.. Of if you cut costs, charged more, increased demand… It seems that you’re the one that doesn’t understand your business. > [@Morella](#): > > All material on gays and AIDS is for amusement only, and most people here seem to be intelligent enough to be taking it as such.. It wasn’t amusing. Particularly to those of us working in that field. > [@Morella](#): > > Umm…didn’t we just determine that two-thirds of AIDS patients actually admitted to being homosexual?. So what? Does that justify discriminatory policies? Do we use that fucked up excuse for logic in any other means? smoking -\> lung cancer skiing -\> knee injuries Did you know that pilots are particularly susceptible to leukemia and skin cancer? Fuck them for their life style choice. Turns out truck drivers have high rates of STIs and hepatitis C. > [@Morella](#): > > Bitching? Is that what we’re here to do? If bitching is what you want, there are all sorts of things that I could bitch about. I was making a point about the effects of taxation on jobs, that’s all. You have failed to make that point. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/638 "2010-10-21T22:43:34Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Wow. 1980’s stupid. Not just stupid but over gelled hair, bad clothes and shit music stupid. > > That’s a fierce condemnation. Ah, yes, the 80’s…back when we still spent francs, and _Les Rita Mitsouko_ were topping the charts with _Marcia Beila_. I’m still a big fan of Catherine Ringer, clothes and all, although I can’t recall her ever having gelled the hair. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/639 "2010-10-21T22:43:39Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Lower taxes boost the economy… This has never been demonstrated [in the last 80 years](http://www.slate.com/id/2245781/). If you have statistics that contradict that, bring 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/640 "2010-10-21T22:53:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Certainly it is. Which is why no one I’m aware of has said such a thing. > > Still, to say that liberals have inadvertently or unconcernedly ruined much of what was previously good about American society, and that as a consequence they have brought about many of many of the problems we face today, it would not be an inaccurate observation. 😉 Do you remember the 60’s, before the hippies were taken seriously? Back then, you dressed up nice to get onto an airplane, you could smoke, and drink, and in the bigger airplanes, you got real food. It was so sweet. You used to be able to go and buy a new car, you could choose between luxury and sportiness, and you could be proud of what you bought. These days, you have to buy a government-approved pinch-nose plastic jellybean, unless, like me, you choose to have your old 70’s cars rebuilt. You didn’t have to walk around on eggshells worrying about offending someone in the 60’s. Movies didn’t have to be socially acceptable. Romance was everywhere, and it was always between a man and a woman. “Gay” was a beautiful word, and “homosexual” was a mental illness. Children whose parents could not afford to keep them went to orphanages, where they were given a proper upbringing, instead of running loose in the streets, becoming criminals, subsidized by a welfare system. Perhaps there will be a day when people say, “Do you remember how good it was in 2010?” but if that is true, life will have to really, really suck. I’m hoping for a better future than that. I believe that freedom can be returned, and that big government can be defeated, if we make the effort. It’s going to start with this election. We’re going to flip Obama the same shit that we gave Clinton during the first mid-term. Hopefully, the spirit will carry this time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=33)