# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/721 "2010-10-22T04:54:51Z")
> [@](#): > > All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > That doesn’t strike me as being open to a lot of interpretation. That is probably because you are ignoring the “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” part. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/722 "2010-10-22T04:56:26Z")
> [@](#): > > …once for quoting shit without attribution. “Plagiarism” is what they called it… Oh, c’mon! You dont have to attribute stuff everybody knows! Who the hell doesn’t recognize the preface to _Being and Nothingness_? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/723 "2010-10-22T04:59:49Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Good lord! It’s **Starving Artist** all over again. > > Really? That’s the defense you’re going to make; that’s a reply that you’re willing to post here for all to see? You think the comment is stupid. You think that arrangement of words is lacking in cognitive faculties somehow. Those words would be lucky to even get a GED, and will probably be forced into some menial job just to afford even the most basic punctuation. > > You said my comment was stupid, but you didn’t mean to insult me. You’re really going to stand by that? I’ll do ya one better. They’re not getting any smarter. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/724 "2010-10-22T05:05:03Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Yes, it is. The president isn’t even a US citizen. You have just demonstrated that you have absolutely no claim to credibility on any issue, ever. I actually appreciate this post, because it lets me know that you’re not to be taken seriously, and should be dealt with like a small and mentally backward child who comes running with stories of fairies at the bottom of the garden. Either that, or you’re a very capable troll. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/725 "2010-10-22T05:13:43Z")
Well, now you’ve made it mad. My comment was a little depressed from the first insult, so I offered to play it a game of anagrams based on the names of Marcel Proust characters. That always cheers it up. Sometimes it lets me win, but not tonight. When it gets in a mood like that, I can tell I’m in for a sound thrashing. Sometimes I think it cheats, but I haven’t caught it at it yet. We were arguing over whether it was allowed to drop the accent mark in “Odette de Crécy” when your newest post showed up. I hate to see it like this; some innocent adjective is likely to get hurt. My comment thinks you owe it an apology. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/726 "2010-10-22T05:15:51Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > What part didn’t you understand? I tried not to use any big words. > > hehe I started with a comment about the Golden Age, referring to urine testing, which people misinterpreted to mean something else. This was explained about a hundred messages or so ago. > > I dunno…someone else drew the conclusion that I was a botched sex change operation…not quite sure where that came from, but you guys have pulled some amazing shit out of the air in an effort to discredit me. > > The “faggot” comment was in response to his idiotic whining about how abusive I was being…as compared to the insults I have received here? It was appropriate. > > How does that turn out? I haven’t said what races I was mixed of. You’re not just assuming something, are you? > > Where did the Mexican thing come from? I thought we were talking about Arabs? > > Yes, you are lazy. You haven’t even read this thread, and you’re trying to summarize it. > > Look it up. You prove my point, that being you are a disingenuous asshole who is attempting to play gotcha games by offering cryptic factoids then slamming posters for taking them up. As I said, it’s getting old. And transparent. As for looking it up, [I have](http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php). The top marginal tax rate for the halcyon decade of the 1950’s, when we were all polite, and prosperous, and smoked on airplanes, and slapped men if they got out of line and all, was **above 90%**. Asshole. And the top marginal tax rate stayed there until 1963. For the rest of the 60’s and the 70’s it remained above 70%. Does it surprise you to know that the time of prosperity, the period of goodness for which you and other teabagging morons so earnestly pine, had a top marginal tax rate _ **twice what it is today?!** _ So all that prosperity came about under a tax regime fully double what you are whining about. Now do you understand that your assertions about not hiring employees who would make you even more profit just because there are taxes to be paid is utterly, overwhelmingly, devastatingly **stupid**? No, probably not. Somebody who is an actual birther is stupid enough to believe _anything_. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/727 "2010-10-22T05:18:52Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Also none. I’m hopeful that as this country continues to change and improve that such crimes will become rarer. Yeah, well, I wouldn’t get my hopes up if I were you. The ‘change and improvement’ of the last forty years is what’s made this shit so common to begin with. I’d also point out that it’s every bit as appropriate to paint today’s society with the drugs and gang and murder and shitty education and single parent homes brush as it is to paint pre-counter culture America with the racist and sexist brush. Even moreso, because the society of the the 60’s didn’t create the conditions that existed then but the society of the last forty years has created the problems that exist now. So I’m having a hard time trying to figure out how today’s society is supposed to be better. Especially since by the early-to-mid sixties the civil rights issue and its accompanying legislation had largely been fought for and won by polite, non-violent black people in slacks and dresses, and because the counter culture revolution that has turned this country into such a cesspool had virtually nothing to do with civil rights in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/728 "2010-10-22T05:25:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d also point out that it’s every bit as appropriate to paint today’s society with the drugs and gang and murder and shitty education and single parent homes brush as it is to paint pre-counter culture America with the racist and sexist brush. Even moreso, because the society of the the 60’s didn’t create the conditions that existed then but the society of the last forty years has created the problems that exist now. Does that mean the 60’s are the fault of the 20’s? I knew it! Everybody was perfectly happy in bathing suits that didn’t show their knees. But pretty soon people started getting refrigerators and didn’t need to have ice delivered every day. Throw in a couple of Lindy Hops and it’s been downhill ever since. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/729 "2010-10-22T05:28:31Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You have just demonstrated that you have absolutely no claim to credibility on any issue, ever. I actually appreciate this post, because it lets me know that you’re not to be taken seriously, and should be dealt with like a small and mentally backward child who comes running with stories of fairies at the bottom of the garden. > > Either that, or you’re a very capable troll. I assume, with this ejaculation, that you are attempting to assert that Obama is a US citizen? If so, please explain how his father was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, as a Kenyan? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/730 "2010-10-22T05:31:50Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Now do you understand that your assertions about not hiring employees who would make you even more profit just because there are taxes to be paid is utterly, overwhelmingly, devastatingly **stupid**? Would you care to explain why? You haven’t refuted anything that I’ve said. > [@](#): > > No, probably not. Somebody who is an actual birther is stupid enough to believe _anything_. What is an “actual birther”? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/731 "2010-10-22T05:42:33Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > As for looking it up, [I have](http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php). The top marginal tax rate for the halcyon decade of the 1950’s, when we were all polite, and prosperous, and smoked on airplanes, and slapped men if they got out of line and all, was **above 90%**. And that rate was applied only to the very wealthiest and most high-income earning people in the country. A very, very small percentage. And the justification for the 90% rate in the first place was to help the country recover from WWII. And the people paying it weren’t also paying for Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid like everyone is now. Plus state and local taxes are a lot higher now. So a 90% tax rate is no longer even possible, and even if it was it can’t reasonably be contrasted with today’s tax structure in an effort to make today’s tax rates seem moderate in comparison. > [@CannyDan](#): > > Asshole. How, uh, _modern_ of you! 😃 > [@CannyDan](#): > > And the top marginal tax rate stayed there until 1963. For the rest of the 60’s and the 70’s it remained above 70%. Again, those rates applied to a much smaller and higher income portion of the populace and those people weren’t having to pay Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid taxes. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that on average a much larger percentage of the population is paying a much larger share of their income in taxes…oh, wait! No, I wouldn’t either. 50% of the country doesn’t pay income tax these days! :smack: What _was_ I think…uh, ahem, let me put it this way: of the people paying taxes these days, I’d wager that on average and as a group, modern day taxpayers pay more of their income in taxes and at an overall lower pro-rata income level than was ever the the case in 1950’s and 1960’s era America. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/732 "2010-10-22T05:56:55Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Does that mean the 60’s are the fault of the 20’s? > > I knew it! Don’t see how. What negative impact did the 1920’s have upon 60’s era America? ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/733 "2010-10-22T06:17:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Don’t see how. What negative impact did the 1920’s have upon 60’s era America? Uh, mafia/organized crime? Just to name one thing of the top of my head. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/734 "2010-10-22T06:20:10Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > I assume, with this ejaculation, that you are attempting to assert that Obama is a US citizen? If so, please explain how his father was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, as a Kenyan? If it were as simple as that, I find it hard to believe that not one Republican or anyone involved in getting him his Senatorial/Presidential security clearances wouldn’t have done something about it. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/735 "2010-10-22T06:25:45Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > I assume, with this ejaculation, that you are attempting to assert that Obama is a US citizen? If so, please explain how his father was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, as a Kenyan? I meant what i said. Your stupidity on this issue warrants you being treated like a backwards child. So run along and play in the street. And wear this hockey helmet. ---
**Author:** ![Oldeb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@Oldeb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oldeb)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/736 "2010-10-22T06:30:00Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > What is an “actual birther”? Someone who honestly believes this: > [@Morella](#): > > The president isn’t even a US citizen. The point being that you’ve long since disconnected from reality. On the plus side, **Morella** , you can always take comfort in being right. It’s not like anybody is ever going to convince you otherwise. If the government is illegitmate can we get a cool government in exile? We should set up shop in Canada. They’d take us, right? Or maybe we could just operate out of the UN building in New York. That might be awkward though. And Canada has gays. So I guess that’s out. Tehran is pretty conservative though… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/737 "2010-10-22T07:06:13Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Uh, mafia/organized crime? Just to name one thing of the top of my head. In the sixties hardly anyone knew a wiseguy personally, and so little was known about the inner workings of the Mafia and who was actually in it that the Mafia itself was trying to claim with a straight face that it didn’t even exist. To the degree that the average American knew anything about the Mafia at all, it was generally due to impressions created by television programs such as _The Untouchables_. The Mafia had no impact whatsoever upon the way people lived and conducted themselves then, nor upon societal standards of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/738 "2010-10-22T07:18:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Don’t see how. What negative impact did the 1920’s have upon 60’s era America? The same people who were impressionable children in the 20’s and 30’s grew up to be adults in the 50’s and 60’s. They couldn’t help but be warped by all the flappers and the swing music. There were so many people experimenting with illicit alcohol that they actually pushed for and got it legalized. The carnage on our roads continues to this day. And look at images of the crowds at baseball games in the 20’s, compared to the 60’s. People used to know how to dress for the occasion, in a nice hat. Who can look at all those bare heads nowadays and not weep for the future? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/739 "2010-10-22T07:28:48Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I meant what i said. Your stupidity on this issue warrants you being treated like a backwards child. So run along and play in the street. And wear this hockey helmet. Ah, **Lobohan’s** son (or little brother?) has decided to join the fray. We welcome your faux-intellectual, ivory-tower superiority and the insults with which you attempt to convey it. And then we laugh at you behind your back. 😃 Oh, wait…no, we don’t! We laugh in your face! Yeah, that’s it! What was I thinking? :smack: > [@Robot Arm](#): > > The same people who were impressionable children in the 20’s and 30’s grew up to be adults in the 50’s and 60’s. They couldn’t help but be warped by all the flappers and the swing music. There were so many people experimenting with illicit alcohol that they actually pushed for and got it legalized. The carnage on our roads continues to this day. And look at images of the crowds at baseball games in the 20’s, compared to the 60’s. People used to know how to dress for the occasion, in a nice hat. Who can look at all those bare heads nowadays and not weep for the future? Lame, **RA**. Very lame. But thanks for playing. And now I’m out for the night. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/740 "2010-10-22T07:41:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Lame, **RA**. Very lame. Yeah, you’re right. I forgot to include sex. I mean, have you seen the birth rates in 50’s? They must have been screwing like rabbits back then. > [@](#): > > But thanks for playing. No, seriously, how is my argument substantly different from yours, that “the society of the the 60’s didn’t create the conditions that existed then but the society of the last forty years has created the problems that exist now”? Every era creates the conditions for the eras that follow. To suggest that we somehow started from scratch in the 60’s is absurd. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=38)