# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/761 "2010-10-22T12:10:10Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Did you vote a Kenyan Muslim into the White House, at a time when we’re at war with Muslims? That would have been one stupid-assed mistake, wouldn’t it? Yes it would have been. Good thing we didn’t. The fact that his mother was a minor is irrelevant. He was born in America to a parent who was an American citizen. The Fourteenth Amendment applies. Barack Obama is, and always has been, a natural-born citizen of the USA. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/762 "2010-10-22T12:10:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What makes you think Kenyans are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Are they immune from prosecution if they commit crimes here? That’s not what “jurisdiction” means, in this case. Here is a link that may be helpful. [http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting\_subject\_to\_the\_jurisdiction.html](http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html) Obama Hussein Sr. was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because he was a citizen of Kenya. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/763 "2010-10-22T12:14:21Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > That’s not what “jurisdiction” means, in this case. Here is a link that may be helpful. > > [http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting\_subject\_to\_the\_jurisdiction.html](http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html) > > Obama Hussein Sr. was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because he was a citizen of Kenya. What a fanciful fabrication of history. Too bad it has no relevance in the real world, a place you have not resided since 1964. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/764 "2010-10-22T12:18:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes it would have been. Good thing we didn’t. > > The fact that his mother was a minor is irrelevant. He was born in America to a parent who was an American citizen. The Fourteenth Amendment applies. Barack Obama is, and always has been, a natural-born citizen of the USA. Did I mention that Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian citizen? To say that Barry is a US citizen is, perhaps, arguable. To say that he is an American is just too much of a stretch. The man did not even know how many states there were in the union, for Christ’s sake. He was not raised in the US, he knows nothing about the US, but you elected him to run it. And you call me stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/765 "2010-10-22T12:21:56Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Did I mention that Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian citizen? > > To say that Barry is a US citizen is, perhaps, arguable. To say that he is an American is just too much of a stretch. The man did not even know how many states there were in the union, for Christ’s sake. He was not raised in the US, he knows nothing about the US, but you elected him to run it. And you call me stupid? Yes, we do. It’s nice to see that you are capable of getting _something_ right for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/766 "2010-10-22T12:24:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Yes, we do. It’s nice to see that you are capable of getting _something_ right for a change. How long did it take you to come up with that one? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/767 "2010-10-22T12:25:19Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > And you call me stupid? Stupid is as stupid does. Anyone who claims that 100 years of Supreme Court decisions regarding the fourteenth amendment are wrong, _wrong_, WRONG! is just too mallet-headed to reason with. Fortunately, bloviating about the citizenship of the president is harmless, and keeps the lunatics occupied while adults are making good government. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/768 "2010-10-22T12:41:14Z")
And now we can return to the point I was making before we were sidetracked: > [@Morella](#): > > What tea partiers have suggested doing away with the fourteenth amendment? > > What amendments do they wish were in there? Since you declined to rebut my cites, I think we can safely conclude you agree that the Tea Party has so little regard for the constitution, they can’t wait to change it to suit their own interests at the expense of the majority of the country. Right? Progress! ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/769 "2010-10-22T12:56:10Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Did you vote a Kenyan Muslim into the White House, at a time when we’re at war with Muslims? We’re at war with Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/770 "2010-10-22T12:59:11Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > They aren’t asking for anything for free. They are asking the federal government to obey the Constitution. Wow, your cogent argument has convinced me! None of these people had anything whatsoever to do with that trillion dollar war that got run for free this past decade? None of them asked us all to foot the bill for their death and torture fetish? None of them decided to join the tea party so as to try to kite on the obligations they have already foisted on all American citizens? Well then, party on self-reliant dudes and dudettes! The rest of us can only marvel at your Christ-like purity of essence. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/771 "2010-10-22T13:09:24Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Faggot. [QUOTE=Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting] No hate speech If you say hateful and/or racist things, you may get warned or banned. Some slurs are likely to be viewed as hate speech when used as insults, some aren’t. No, we aren’t going to give you a list. Our goal is not to restrict any and all speech which could be viewed by someone as offensive, but simply keep a modicum of decency, even here. [/QUOTE] > **[Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985)** > > The BBQ Pit is the forum for rants about the outside world or quarrels between posters - often the first turns into the second. Although the standards of discourse are looser than in the other forums, the Pit is NOT a free-for-all - you don’t have to... Please avoid using hate speech in the future. **Gfactor** Pit Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/772 "2010-10-22T13:12:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > And now we can return to the point I was making before we were sidetracked: Good luck. Go to sleep for a few hours and by the time you get back this thread has veritable mountains of new ignorance to shovel through. It’s gonna take me hours to get back to such a finely honed degree of snarkitude. It could be worth it, though; this thread contains some of my finest work of late. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/773 "2010-10-22T13:17:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > And now we can return to the point I was making before we were sidetracked:Since you declined to rebut my cites, I think we can safely conclude you agree that the Tea Party has so little regard for the constitution, they can’t wait to change it to suit their own interests at the expense of the majority of the country. Right? Progress! Wanting to amend the Constitution is wrong? That’s a revelation. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/774 "2010-10-22T13:19:25Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Good luck. Go to sleep for a few hours and by the time you get back this thread has veritable mountains of new ignorance to shovel through. It’s gonna take me hours to get back to such a finely honed degree of snarkitude. It could be worth it, though; this thread contains some of my finest work of late. I, for one, admire this man almost as much as he admires himself. Would anyone else like to jump in and congratulate Robot Arm on his words of wit? Kiss his ass? Suck his cock? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/775 "2010-10-22T13:19:43Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Wanting to amend the Constitution is wrong? That’s a revelation. Hey, if it was good enough for Thomas Jefferson and all his slaves, it’s should be good enough for the Tea Baggers. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/776 "2010-10-22T13:22:08Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Wow, your cogent argument has convinced me! None of these people had anything whatsoever to do with that trillion dollar war that got run for free this past decade? None of them asked us all to foot the bill for their death and torture fetish? None of them decided to join the tea party so as to try to kite on the obligations they have already foisted on all American citizens? > > Well then, party on self-reliant dudes and dudettes! > The rest of us can only marvel at your Christ-like purity of essence. Death and torture fetish? I can’t believe I missed out on that! And it was sponsored by the Tea Party, you say? I knew there was something I liked about those guys. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/777 "2010-10-22T13:29:58Z")
**Morella** ’s insulting me. Thanks for going to all that extra trouble, sweetie; it feels like I never left. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/778 "2010-10-22T13:33:25Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Wanting to amend the Constitution is wrong? That’s a revelation. It is inconsistent with the Tea Party mantra of governing by the constitution, if you really don’t like it much. At least you admit that is what they want to do, instead of denying as you did before. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/779 "2010-10-22T13:33:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And that rate was applied only to the very wealthiest and most high-income earning people in the country. A very, very small percentage. \ So a 90% tax rate is no longer even possible, and even if it was it can’t reasonably be contrasted with today’s tax structure in an effort to make today’s tax rates seem moderate in comparison…. … Again, those rates applied to a much smaller and higher income portion of the populace and those people weren’t having to pay Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid taxes. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that on average a much larger percentage of the population is paying a much larger share of their income in taxes…oh, wait! No, I wouldn’t either. \ Fascinating to see you using the definition of “top marginal tax rate” to argue against my citation of top marginal tax rates. Moron. And do you know the result of the ongoing reductions in the top marginal tax rates? Guess what—the result is “a much larger percentage of the population is paying a much larger share of their income in taxes”. All of us except the most wealthy, who pay a whole lot less. You and **Morella** deserve each other. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/780 "2010-10-22T13:36:24Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Hey, if it was good enough for Thomas Jefferson and all his slaves, it’s should be good enough for the Tea Baggers. Discrediting the founding fathers is an important step forward toward Communism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=40)