# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/61 "2010-10-11T17:54:54Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > [This is eerily similar to **Starving Artist’s** argument in the other thread that liberals have been intentionally misleading conservatives about the true nature of evolution all these years. No, it isn’t my belief that liberals have _intentionally_ been misleading conservatives (or more accurately, everybody in general) about the nature of evolution all these years. It is my belief however that they have inadvertently been doing so by framing their comments about evolution and creationism in such a way as to have had the effect of misleading them about it. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/62 "2010-10-11T18:16:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, it isn’t my belief that liberals have _intentionally_ been misleading conservatives (or more accurately, everybody in general) about the nature of evolution all these years. Ahem. > [@Fuck You Conservative Stupid-Making Machine](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/290): > > So now we have a situation where the left apparently is **deliberately** creating the impression that evolution accounts for life on this planet, while simultaneously making fun of people for thinking that liberals believe that evolution accounts for life on this planet. Emphasis added. And no, the word “apparently” does not negate the accusation. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/63 "2010-10-11T18:25:35Z")
Well, there you go! If this sort of inadvertent mispeaking can happen to a steel-trap mind like **Starving Artist** , them certainly it can happen to some drugged out liberal! Maybe the cat walked across the keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/64 "2010-10-11T18:30:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > > > [This is eerily similar to **Starving Artist’s** argument in the other thread that liberals have been intentionally misleading conservatives about the true nature of evolution all these years. > > No, it isn’t my belief that liberals have _intentionally_ been misleading conservatives (or more accurately, everybody in general) about the nature of evolution all these years. It is my belief however that they have inadvertently been doing so by framing their comments about evolution and creationism in such a way as to have had the effect of misleading them about it. I think I understand. You claim ignorance, but it’s the fault of scientists for not using words small enough for you to understand. However, now that you’ve been enlightened as to the reality of the situation, you’d rather remain ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/65 "2010-10-11T18:35:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Perhaps we should define the term “Fighting ignorance”. Apparently it does not mean what I think that it means. And it only took you seven years to learn as much. Good job! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/66 "2010-10-11T18:35:22Z")
There is a distinction between the meaning of those two statements. Let me see if I can explain: Yes, liberals have been deliberately creating the impression over the last few decades that evolution supplants creationism as the explanation for life. But that is completely different from doing so simply in order to mislead conservatives. In other words they’ve intentionally been doing A, and the result of their having done that is B. But they didn’t do A in order to create B. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/67 "2010-10-11T18:36:03Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Yeah, well I wonder where these “principled patriots” were when Bush was out-spending any administration in American history. Lying cocksuckers. > > Bravo, OP. I thought Congress was in charge of spending ? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/68 "2010-10-11T18:44:02Z")
Still waiting for SA to actually denounce Paladino et al… ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/69 "2010-10-11T18:46:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yes, liberals have been deliberately creating the impression over the last few decades that evolution supplants creationism as the explanation for life. But that is completely different from doing so simply in order to mislead conservatives. So why have then been doing it, if not to mislead conservatives? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/70 "2010-10-11T18:50:02Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So why have then been doing it, if not to mislead conservatives? This ought to be good. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/71 "2010-10-11T18:58:08Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > > [@Chefguy](#): > > > > Religion pays, lunacy doesn’t. You can always sell god, but you get full-up with crazy in short order. > > Many would argue that the Religious Right’s version of religion is just another example of crazy. Nah, that’s just delusion. People tend to see delusion as somewhat harmless. After all, what harm could come from believing too strongly in one’s version of god? Most are reluctant to brand them for what they are: Christian fanatics who are no better than Muslim fanatics. Until the delusion turns violent (Jim Jones, David Koresh, et al), we tolerate it. Outright batshit crazy causes us to shake our heads in disbelief for awhile, but eventually it becomes scary enough for most people to come to their senses. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/72 "2010-10-11T19:22:57Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > > [@Steampunk\_Willie](#): > > > > Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them? > > Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it’s like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure. [WRONG](http://www.teaparty.org/) [‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader](http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader) [Tea Party Leader Who Claimed No Slurs? Now Famous For Holding N-word Sign](http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-party-leader-that-claimed-no-slurs-now-famous-for-n-word-sign/) [Tea Party Leader Dale Robertson Ousted for N-Word Sign](http://www.bet.com/News/Politics_Tea_Party_Leader_Dale_Robertson_Ousted_For_Nword_Sign.htm) And it looks like he’s not the only one: > [@](#): > > Robertson, a Tea Party activist, operated [TeaParty.org](http://TeaParty.org). A photo of him holding the “Niggar” sign at a Feb. 27, 2009 Tea Party in Houston surfaced recently. > > Many of the protestors who have turned out at the Tea Party rallies across the United States have carried racially insensitive signs. Some of them have portrayed President Obama as a Nazi, clown, bone-in-the-nose African native and murderer. Well? Do you have anything to say? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/73 "2010-10-11T19:46:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There is a distinction between the meaning of those two statements. Let me see if I can explain: > > Yes, liberals have been deliberately creating the impression over the last few decades that evolution supplants creationism as the explanation for life. But that is completely different from doing so simply in order to mislead conservatives. In other words they’ve intentionally been doing A, and the result of their having done that is B. But they didn’t do A in order to create B. So, are you deliberately full of shit? ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/74 "2010-10-11T19:54:36Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Well? Do you have anything to say? Hell, I’m still waiting for him to answer my questions. I think I’ll be waiting a _loooong_ time. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/75 "2010-10-11T20:01:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > [WRONG](http://www.teaparty.org/) > > [‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader](http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader) > [Tea Party Leader Who Claimed No Slurs? Now Famous For Holding N-word Sign](http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-party-leader-that-claimed-no-slurs-now-famous-for-n-word-sign/) > > [Tea Party Leader Dale Robertson Ousted for N-Word Sign](http://www.bet.com/News/Politics_Tea_Party_Leader_Dale_Robertson_Ousted_For_Nword_Sign.htm) > Well? Do you have anything to say? Well, the sign was tasteless, yes. But it’s not like he was calling President Obama a “niggar” with the sign. The same message could just as easily have been prtrayed with “Congress = Nazis, Taxpayers = Jews” and then we’d have no outrage. But the sign does demonstrate his ignorance. Nigger slaves didn’t have money for the masters to take. But I suppose niggAr(dly) slaves did but just didn’t want to pay. Jews, as we all know, DID have lots of money for the Nazis to take, however. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/76 "2010-10-11T20:03:28Z")
I’ve long given up trying to make sense of anything **Starving Artist** says. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/77 "2010-10-11T20:05:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Until the delusion turns violent (Jim Jones, David Koresh, et al), we tolerate it. David Koresh wasn’t violent, just protective. The US government started the violence in Waco, and ended it by burning down the compound. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/78 "2010-10-11T20:13:44Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Well, the sign was tasteless, yes. But it’s not like he was calling President Obama a “niggar” with the sign. The same message could just as easily have been prtrayed with “Congress = Nazis, Taxpayers = Jews” and then we’d have no outrage. > > But the sign does demonstrate his ignorance. Nigger slaves didn’t have money for the masters to take. But I suppose niggAr(dly) slaves did but just didn’t want to pay. Jews, as we all know, DID have lots of money for the Nazis to take, however. Maybe he was talking about the tv show. The Niggar Family. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/79 "2010-10-11T20:26:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, we can’t judge the Tea Party by what its members say. And we can’t judge the Tea Party by what its elected representatives say. So, what standard can we use to evaluate the Tea Party as a whole? I believe \*\*Starving Artist \*\*is a fan of the No True Teabagger theory. Any member of the Tea Party who does anything remotely stupid, racist, or bigoted automatically proves that they aren’t really a member of the Tea Party and thus do not reflect poorly on it in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/80 "2010-10-11T20:54:05Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > This begs the question: Why, then, did it take a black man being elected president for them to get organized and start marching in the streets, as it were? It had absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had everything to do with his politics. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=5)