# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/801 "2010-10-22T15:16:45Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > You can’t even prove your own argument? What a shock. Here, I’ll hold your hand. Proof, _mon ange_, is for liquor and mathematics. Intelligent people evaluate evidence, and are amused by opinions. I offer you both. If you choose instead to seek proof, I can only refer you here: > **[Amazon.com: 100% Mathematical Proof: 9780471961994: Garnier, Rowan, Taylor,...](https://www.amazon.com/100-Mathematical-Proof-Rowan-Garnier/dp/047196199X)** > > Amazon.com: 100% Mathematical Proof: 9780471961994: Garnier, Rowan, Taylor, John: Books > [@](#): > > Personally, I’m surprised that no one has called her out on her bullshit for having claimed be both of (a) Middle Eastern descent and (b) strictly European descent. We covered that already. You missed it. I never claimed to be of Middle Eastern or European descent. The only thing definitive that I have said about my race is that I am of “mixed” race. > [@](#): > > Yeah, those were great times. Women certainly had a choice about getting married, because there were so many job options. And if you were married, and your husband was abusive, it was so easy to get a divorce! And you’d totally be able to support yourself. And it’s so great that married women were never raped by their husbands! Ever! What, married women had no creativity? If he is abusive, wait until he is asleep, tie him to the bed, then wake him up and beat the shit out of him with an iron skillet. Break some bones, slowly nurse him back to health, make him beg for his food. Second offense, cut his balls off. Most men can learn…there are some around here who are having trouble, but most men can. > [@](#): > > I’m sure that had nothing to do with the fact that a wife literally couldn’t say no to her husband, legally speaking. At all. And by the same token, he can’t say no to me either. If I want it, he whips it out, on command. That seems fair enough. > [@](#): > > **A Kenyan, or any other non-citizen, spending any time in the United States whatsoever, legally or illegally, is “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” for the duration of the time that they are in our territory.** That has nothing to do with “jurisdiction” as discussed in the ratification of the 14th amendment. I posted a link that you can go back to, if you really want to learn. Then again, if you just want to disagree with me, that’s OK too. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/802 "2010-10-22T15:18:28Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Not true. > > **Morella** seems to think that the 60’s were some kind of Golden Age, before everything fell apart. > > OTOH > > ## **Starving Artist** seems to feel that the 50’s were the Golden Era, before everything fell apart in the 60’s. > > Those are diametrically opposed world views if I ever saw them and only one, at most, can be right. > By rights, **Starving Artist** and **Morella** should be mortal enemies, and _no one_ deserves a mortal enemy. > > . No, actually I think the country reached its zenith in the early sixties. The main difference between **morella** and me in this regard is that she thinks the country went to shit in 1964 or '65 whereas I’d peg it more at 1968 or '69. I do think '64-'65 is when the fuckupage first began to take form and grow, but (IMO) it didn’t gain enough widespread acceptance and the momentum to really start fucking things up until around 1968 -'69. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/803 "2010-10-22T15:18:47Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > And there we go. Check and mate. Well played. I win! I win! clap clap clap! Grow up, kiddo. Your saying that you have won an argument does not make you a winner. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/804 "2010-10-22T15:20:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, actually I think the country reached its zenith in the early sixties. Ah yes, back when crime was so low, deputies carried a bullet in their pocket. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/805 "2010-10-22T15:20:55Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > You have neither. I asked a question about Obama’s citizenship, a question which has obviously made a lot of people uncomfortable. I see this same reaction in religious forums, when a question is posed that makes people question their faith in their god-thing. Did you vote a Kenyan Muslim into the White House, at a time when we’re at war with Muslims? That would have been one stupid-assed mistake, wouldn’t it? > > As for the term “birther”, I have found that it refers to people who question Obama’s birth certificate, which I have not done, despite its questionability. I asked a well-documented, straightforward question, and none of you can answer it. I’m not the one who is being stupid here. Classic. She’s just asking questions. Why can’t you answer them? Tell me **Morella** , did you murder a small child in the 90’s? I heard you did, and I think that was a terrible thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/806 "2010-10-22T15:22:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, actually I think the country reached its zenith in the early sixties. The main difference between **morella** and me in this regard is that she thinks the country went to shit in 1964 or '65 whereas I’d peg it more at 1968 or '69. > > I do think '64-'65 is when the fuckupage first began to take form and grow, but (IMO) it didn’t gain enough widespread acceptance and the momentum to really start fucking things up until around 1968 -'69. I would agree with you except for Civil Rights, which passed despite the efforts of the Democratic Party. I was hoping to have a big fat black maid who spoke with a southern accent and wore 37 petticoats, and now I have to settle for a Conchita who doesn’t speak English at all. And just in case someone is actually stupid enough to quote what I just said in a serious context (it’s happened), it is not intended as such. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/807 "2010-10-22T15:23:02Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > That’s not what “jurisdiction” means, in this case. Here is a link that may be helpful. > > [http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting\_subject\_to\_the\_jurisdiction.html](http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html) > > Obama Hussein Sr. was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because he was a citizen of Kenya. I’m a citizen of Canada and Ireland, living in the US. Does that me I’m not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Cool! Or does it just apply to Kenyans? A couple friends of mine are from Kenya and weren’t aware of this. ETA Slow down dammit, I can’t catch up. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/808 "2010-10-22T15:23:58Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > Classic. She’s just asking questions. Why can’t you answer them? > > Tell me **Morella** , did you murder a small child in the 90’s? I heard you did, and I think that was a terrible thing to do. Yes, I did. I’m still trying to get the bloodstains out. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/809 "2010-10-22T15:25:12Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Proof, _mon ange_, is for liquor and mathematics. Intelligent people evaluate evidence, and are amused by opinions. Bold statement considering that you’ve offered no evidence whatsoever to support your assertion that the President isn’t an American citizen, ignored all the evidence showing that he is, and relied entirely on opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/810 "2010-10-22T15:25:59Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > I’m a citizen of Canada and Ireland, living in the US. Does that me I’m not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Cool! Unless you’re planning on dropping an anchor baby and calling it a US citizen, I wouldn’t worry about the definition of “jurisdiction”. > [@](#): > > Or does it just apply to Kenyans? A couple friends of mine are from Kenya and weren’t aware of this. You don’t have any Kenyan friends, you lying twat. > [@](#): > > ETA Slow down dammit, I can’t catch up. _Demmerdes-toi!_ ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/811 "2010-10-22T15:26:52Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > We’re at war with Muslims? It’s a secret war, with secret Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/812 "2010-10-22T15:27:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Bold statement considering that you’ve offered no evidence whatsoever to support your assertion that the President isn’t an American citizen, ignored all the evidence showing that he is, and relied entirely on opinions. Gyrate, Highlight yourself, and press the delete key. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/813 "2010-10-22T15:28:06Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > It’s a secret war, with secret Muslims. No, we’re at war with the Christians who make up most of the population of Afghanistan and Iraq…and, evidently…Kenya? ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/814 "2010-10-22T15:39:23Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Proof, _mon ange_, is for liquor and mathematics. Intelligent people evaluate evidence, and are amused by opinions. I offer you both. If you choose instead to > seek proof, I can only refer you here: This just keeps getting better. Intelligent people don’t need proof. They have opinions based on evidence, which is way better than proof. Or they have evidence based on opinions. Which ever works for their narrative to prove their original belief. Don’t like Obama? Change is name to Barry and pretend Keyans aren’t subject to the juristiction of the United States. Now base your opinions on the evidence you’ve created using your opinion. Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/815 "2010-10-22T15:40:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What was I thinking? :smack: If all the evidence is closely considered, the answer to this question must surely be: nothing. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/816 "2010-10-22T15:40:45Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > And there we go. Check and mate. Well played. **Morella** , your statements amount to a “duhhhh” that threatens to exhaust the universe of H’s. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/817 "2010-10-22T15:46:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, actually I think the country reached its zenith in the early sixties. The main difference between **morella** and me in this regard is that she thinks the country went to shit in 1964 or '65 whereas I’d peg it more at 1968 or '69. Do you agree with your new-found friend and colleague about the status of Barack Obama’s citizenship, and his religion? Is he, in fact, a Kenyan muslim, or is this level of stupidity too much even for you? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/818 "2010-10-22T15:50:16Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Gyrate, > > Highlight yourself, and press the delete key. In other words, you’ve still got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/819 "2010-10-22T15:53:49Z")
It’s at this point that I always feel so sorry for cranky old conservatives. The world is only going to get more liberal. Government is only going to get bigger. Taxes are only going to get hire. It’s inevitable that soon gays will be allowed to marry their turtle, and the government will have to pay for their new gay disease that they caught having butt sex with turtles. Soon Mexicans and Muslims are going to demand their own set of rights, rights that were once and properly only reserved for white men. It won’t be long before China owns us all and puts up their windmills everywhere, and then puts everyone on welfare. And to make things worse, liberals keep confusing conservatives but misleading them. Tricking them into thinking evolution is the same as abiogenisis. Who knows what else we’ve tricked them into believing. In the end, it’s our fault that **Morella** is the way she claims to be. Conservatives can’t be held accountable or at fault. All those stupid hippies screwed everything up. Conservatives post the way they do because other posters are so obnoxiously liberal. They have no choice. Remember choice, such a dirty word. What’s important to remember is that they’re not stupid. They’re actually intelligent because they base their evidence on opinions, that’s what intelligent people do. And as a result, they simply have a different opinion, neither right, nor wrong, just different. If only you’d turn off your liberal elitism and ivy league logical thought process, you’d realize that the President isn’t American, and taxes are unconstitutional. Both positions that are easy to prove, except that proof is for math and alcohol. Government should abide by the constitution, except for the parts they don’t like, which they should change because those parts are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/820 "2010-10-22T15:54:37Z")
> [@](#): > > You can’t even prove your own argument? > [@emacknight](#): > > This just keeps getting better. > > Intelligent people don’t need proof. I’ll let the two of you hash this one out. > [@](#): > > Don’t like Obama? Change is name to Barry His name was Barry, when he lived in Indonesia, before his muslim dad returned to reclaim him. Do you know anything about your president? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=42)