# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/881 "2010-10-24T02:45:08Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > You know what’s funny. There is a good chance **Morella** will drive over the new Mike O’Callaghan – Pat Tillman Memorial Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge, saving hours by avoiding the Hoover Dam. I wonder if she’ll be thankful for the $240million in taxes that went to its construction. > > Probably not. I come down I-15 from the north, and through Laughlin from the south, which is the correct way to bypass the dam. There is no purpose whatsoever for this bridge, but that is typical for a government project. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/882 "2010-10-24T02:51:03Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > He’s posted his birth certificate online. He had two birth announcements at the time. His mother had never been out of the country when he was born. No, what Barry posted was a sheet of checked paper run through a line printer…go look it up, because it is doubtful that anyone here is going to post a link to the picture. It is not convincing, and, although people around here claim that they are trying to get to the truth, what they are really interested in is the Communist agenda. They are not going to show you anything that could discredit Obama. As for his mother, how in the hell do you know where she has been? Did you follow her around? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/883 "2010-10-24T02:57:51Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > I come down I-15 from the north, and through Laughlin from the south, which is the correct way to bypass the dam. There is no purpose whatsoever for this bridge, but that is typical for a government project. So you bypassed a publicly financed road by driving on… …other publicly financed roads. I am moved to new levels of ennui by your bold political statement. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/884 "2010-10-24T03:04:23Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > No, what Barry posted was a sheet of checked paper run through a line printer… So you think his dad wasn’t subject to U.S. and Hawaiian jurisdiction, AND the birth certificate is a fraud. What does that mean in practical terms; is Obama not a citizen twice over, or what? Is one of those a backup plan in case the other turns out to be bullshit? Help us out here, what are you really trying to say? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/885 "2010-10-24T03:22:57Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So you bypassed a publicly financed road by driving on… > > …other publicly financed roads. I am moved to new levels of ennui by your bold political statement. Actually, I was responding to this ejaculation of bridge and government worship: > [@](#): > > You know what’s funny. There is a good chance Morella will drive over the new Mike O’Callaghan – Pat Tillman Memorial Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge, saving hours by avoiding the Hoover Dam. I wonder if she’ll be thankful for the $240million in taxes that went to its construction. …but you left that part out, didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/886 "2010-10-24T03:26:42Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So you think his dad wasn’t subject to U.S. and Hawaiian jurisdiction, AND the birth certificate is a fraud. > > What does that mean in practical terms; is Obama not a citizen twice over, or what? Is one of those a backup plan in case the other turns out to be bullshit? > > Help us out here, what are you really trying to say? I don’t know whether the birth certificate was a fraud or not, which is why I didn’t say. Your pretending that I said something, so that you can argue against it, is what is known as a “strawman argument”. I did raise the question of whether or not a Kenyan was subject to US jurisdiction, as “jurisdiction” was interpreted during ratification of the 14th amendment. Do you have anything intelligent to say about this? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/887 "2010-10-24T03:27:10Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Actually, I was responding to this ejaculation of bridge and government worship: > > > [@](#): > > > > You know what’s funny. There is a good chance Morella will drive over the new Mike O’Callaghan – Pat Tillman Memorial Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge, saving hours by avoiding the Hoover Dam. I wonder if she’ll be thankful for the $240million in taxes that went to its construction. > > …but you left that part out, didn’t you? I didn’t think it was relevant. I mean, were the roads that you did use somehow _not_ paid for by taxes? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/888 "2010-10-24T03:36:14Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > As for his mother, how in the hell do you know where she has been? Did you follow her around? Did you? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/889 "2010-10-24T03:38:27Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I didn’t think it was relevant. I mean, were the roads that you did use somehow _not_ paid for by taxes? What does that have to do with the price of _chichon_ in _les banlieus_? The government built a bridge that we didn’t need, and I’m supposed to be grateful for that? No, I’m not particularly grateful for a stupidassed bridge that I will never use, and whether or not the existing road, which was just fine the way it was, was paid for by taxes or not has nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/890 "2010-10-24T03:46:49Z")
One would think you’d be glad about shaving an hour or so off travel time. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/891 "2010-10-24T03:51:25Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > …whether or not the existing road, which was just fine the way it was, was paid for by taxes or not has nothing to do with it. Back up a bit and tell me what it is you think we’re talking about. Are you railing against all taxes, taxes to build roads, recent projects funded by taxes, or just this bridge in particular. Tell me what point you’re trying to make and then I’ll tell you why you haven’t made it. I’m thinking it’s about even money that she goes off on me for prejudging her with that last comment, and doesn’t answer the actual question. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/892 "2010-10-24T03:56:23Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > One would think you’d be glad about shaving an hour or so off travel time. The bridge does not shave any time off of the trip, except, perhaps, during the biker River Run week, and in any case, it is not worth $240 million. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/893 "2010-10-24T03:59:51Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Back up a bit and tell me what it is you think we’re talking about. Are you railing against all taxes, taxes to build roads, recent projects funded by taxes, or just this bridge in particular. > > Tell me what point you’re trying to make and then I’ll tell you why you haven’t made it. Let’s just leave you out of the bridge discussion, since you are incapable of understanding it, and it is not about you anyway. You just butted into it. I have a problem with paying taxes that are not used for what they are supposed to be used for, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/894 "2010-10-24T04:46:22Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Let’s just leave you out of the bridge discussion, since you are incapable of understanding it, and it is not about you anyway. You just butted into it. > > I have a problem with paying taxes that are not used for what they are supposed to be used for, that’s all. Ah, it’s not actually a bridge, see… It’s in reality a project that is designed to facilitate the production of alien… but now I’ve said too much. ETA: getting closer to the pro bono thread… but so far to go. So far. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/895 "2010-10-24T04:56:30Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > I have a problem with paying taxes that are not used for what they are supposed to be used for, that’s all. So, if the Kenyan Muslim Obama proposed a new tax, and told you that the tax was going to be used for universal health care, and then used the tax to fund universal health care, you wouldn’t have a problem with it? ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/896 "2010-10-24T05:03:30Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > I don’t know whether the birth certificate was a fraud or not, which is why I didn’t say. Your pretending that I said something, so that you can argue against it, is what is known as a “strawman argument”. > > I did raise the question of whether or not a Kenyan was subject to US jurisdiction, as “jurisdiction” was interpreted during ratification of the 14th amendment. Do you have anything intelligent to say about this? > [@Morella](#): > > No, what Barry posted was a sheet of checked paper run through a line printer…go look it up, because it is doubtful that anyone here is going to post a link to the picture. It is not convincing, and, although people around here claim that they are trying to get to the truth, what they are really interested in is the Communist agenda. They are not going to show you anything that could discredit Obama. > > As for his mother, how in the hell do you know where she has been? Did you follow her around? The shit you’re spouting isn’t intelligent enough to be worthy of a response. But like **Starving Artist** , you have a fascinating way of _almost_ saying something, without actually saying anything. Then when called on your bullshit, you can rush back and claim the words you put in a particular order don’t mean what everyone thinks they mean, or you were kidding, or we all read into something. Certainly not a tactic that will gain you any credibility, not that you’ll care because credibility doesn’t seem to be your goal. I also like that you call it the IFTA Tax, which goes to suggest you don’t actually understand it. And as to your specific question, “Since I am paying IFTA to repair the roads, why do we need Stimulus money to repair the roads?” Because there area a lot of fucking roads, and the money to repair them got sent to Iraq to build roads there, after blowing them up. You have a funny grasp on the US federal budget. And have yet to prove that Obama isn’t a Chinese Robot from the Future. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/897 "2010-10-24T05:09:38Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > I have a problem with paying taxes that are not used for what they are supposed to be used for, that’s all. We all do. Your side of the equation got to spend it in Iraq. Now it seems like our side is going to spend it treating illegal immigrants with AIDS (and maybe performing a few late term abortions). $12 an hour, I sure hope this is worth it. I can think of a lot of other ways to spend $12 in Vegas. Have you seen that new bridge over the Hoover Damn, it’s freakin huge! [http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/](http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/) is crazy fun! ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/898 "2010-10-24T05:11:00Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > So, if the Kenyan Muslim Obama proposed a new tax, and told you that the tax was going to be used for universal health care, and then used the tax to fund universal health care, you wouldn’t have a problem with it? Would it exclude people with AIDS??? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/899 "2010-10-24T05:20:33Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > … > I have a problem with paying taxes that are not used for what they are supposed to be used for, that’s all. Me too. You’d think it was a popular opinion. And yet when I want the Defense budget to be used for defense only, the amount of resistance to this simple idea is more than you can believe. It is only an anecdote and you are free to not believe me, but on more than one occasion I have had people tell me it is OK to use the defense forces for the invasion of Iraq! ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/900 "2010-10-24T05:23:33Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > As for his mother, how in the hell do you know where she has been? Did you follow her around? Was she a US citizen, subject to what ever made up definition of jurisdiction you’re using? Or what she also a Chinese Robot from the future? Does it even matter where his father was from, how he got into the country, who’s jurisdiction he was under, and what time portal he traveled through? Do you think his father is part of that weird shit in _Stargate SGU_? Let he was sent to our Earth by aliens that had something to do with the pyramids? I only bring that up because it’s just so much more plausible than the drivel you’ve been force-fed, which should give you some indication how batshit insane your _theories_ are. If I were you, I’d find the lying bastard that told them to you and kick him square in the nuts. Or the taco, which ever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=46)