# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/941 "2010-10-24T21:27:07Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > It’s your response to **Sevastopol** ’s comments on starting wars. Considering Obama was serving in the Illinois State Legislature during the Kosovo stuff and he inherited both Afghanistan and Iraq I really don’t see what he has to do with either of them. I was just curious if you were a firm believer in Steele’s, "Keep in mind again, federal candidates, this was a war of Obama’s choosing. This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in,” comment. What, me a believer? In anything? No, that just isn’t going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/942 "2010-10-24T21:33:21Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > SA, can I ask, do you think Obama is a citizen? I just want to know how well informed you are. Obviously anyone who believes that Barry is a citizen is as well informed as you are, right? Or at least as gullible… ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/943 "2010-10-24T21:38:22Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > \*\*Morella \*\* will forever be remembered as that crazy old trucker that thinks Obama is a Chinese robot from the future, and that the world was great before 1964. That, of course, will be true only if people around here are stupid enough to accept your word as gospel, in lieu of thinking for themselves. If they are, indeed, that stupid, their stupididity will be their own reward. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/944 "2010-10-24T21:44:06Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Obviously anyone who believes that Barry is a citizen is as well informed as you are, right? Or at least as gullible… Dude, you just blew my mind. What if we’re the gullible ones, and you have it all right?! Wait, what if by believing Obama is a robot from the future makes me gullible, like you? I think the real question though, is how do we ever truly trust another president? If we can’t verify Obama’s identity, how can we be sure where Palin was born? I heard her parents snuck into Canada to give birth in their free although substandard hospitals. If they did it for [her brother](http://washingtonindependent.com/78624/palin-growing-up-i-hustled-over-the-border-for-health-care) who knows how many other times they did it. Do we know where Bush or Clinton were born? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/945 "2010-10-24T21:44:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m not defending her and it’s dishonest for you to say I am. The fact that we share certain beliefs does not equate to a defense. Nor has she been defending me when she refers to comments I’ve made. Besides, I don’t think she is a conservative, by definition, and I think she would agree with that as well. Exactly…only a dumbass needs to line up on one side or another of an issue that was created specifically for the purpose…to divide people. If I can get you to disagree about what brand condom is the best, will you notice that I’m using both brands to fuck you in the ass? Not if you’re the voter, and not if I am the government, or the businessman. It’s all the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/946 "2010-10-24T21:46:36Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Good question. Soetoro? Maybe we should look on his birth certificate. Barry who, again? His legal last name is “Obama”. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/947 "2010-10-24T21:49:12Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > Dude, you just blew my mind. What if we’re the gullible ones, and you have it all right?! > > Wait, what if by believing Obama is a robot from the future makes me gullible, like you? > > I think the real question though, is how do we ever truly trust another president? If we can’t verify Obama’s identity, how can we be sure where Palin was born? I heard her parents snuck into Canada to give birth in their free although substandard hospitals. If they did it for [her brother](http://washingtonindependent.com/78624/palin-growing-up-i-hustled-over-the-border-for-health-care) who knows how many other times they did it. Do we know where Bush or Clinton were born? Ding dong ding…do you need to believe that you can trust any president? Maybe you need to set up your finances so that you can profit, no matter who may be telling the truth, and whether or not it matters. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/948 "2010-10-24T21:52:45Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > That, of course, will be true only if people around here are stupid enough to accept your word as gospel, in lieu of thinking for themselves. If they are, indeed, that stupid, their stupididity will be their own reward. Well, thanks to you we know exactly how much we should value _your_ word on anything: > [@Morella](#): > > I don’t actually know what race I am. I have brown skin…as for the hair, only my stylist knows for sure. I speak with a French accent, and some of my relatives are Muslim, although, as it was mentioned earlier in this thread, the Muslims that you have to fear the most are white. And I did fear my grandparents very much, especially during the 80’s when I was taken to France and subjected to Sharia law. I actually had to escape to the United States, back to where I was originally born! But the grandparents are dead now, I am safely back in Les Etats-Unis, Mom and I have made up (she has brown skin too), and my sex change was successful, despite rumors to the contrary, so I’m feeling much better now. If there were an award for “Most Likely To be Unemployed And Living In Parent’s Basement”, you’d definitely be in the running. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/949 "2010-10-24T22:00:41Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Ding dong ding…do you need to believe that you can trust any president? Maybe you need to set up your finances so that you can profit, no matter who may be telling the truth, and whether or not it matters. Me personally? I don’t need to trust the president, as I don’t plan to fall backwards into his arms any time soon. You, however, seem to have a particular bent towards him. It seems to really matter to you. Why is that? Why do you care so much whether he was born 49 years ago in Hawaii or assembled in a Chinese factory 12 years from now? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/950 "2010-10-24T22:01:22Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Obviously anyone who believes that Barry is a citizen is as well informed as you are, right? Or at least as gullible… No stupid. His citizenship is a fact that you aren’t smart enough to have learned. This is the mark of 21st century conservatism. Your outright stupidity and acceptance of drivel is your defining feature. [http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born\_in\_the\_usa.html](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) He’s released his actual birth certificate. But since you aren’t smart enough to question things you have decided to believe in drivel. I’ll explain it so that even you can understand it: [ul] [li]Obama released his birth certificate. This is a fact and can’t be denied, except by someone simply ignoring reality.[/li] [li]The officials in Hawaii have a state copy that they do not release to the public. This is the same for everyone. If you were born in Hawaii they would not release the official state copy either. They would give you the same type of paper that Obama has released. This is also a fact, and if you gave a shit about facts and reality you would need to address it.[/li] [li]The Hawaii officials, including Hawaii’s Republican Governor have seen the state copy and have said that it matches the version that Obama has released to the press. This is also a fact. And if you cared about facts and reality you would have to deal with it.[/li] [li]Also, Obama had two, count them two, birth notices in local Hawaii papers when he was born. Your stupid bullshit ideas would need to account for the fact, if you cared about facts and reality.[/li] [li]Children born in America are Americans. This is also a fact. And if you cared about facts and reality you’d have to deal with it. [http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp[/li][/ul]](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp%5B/li%5D%5B/ul%5D) But you don’t deal with it, because you’re a cowardly bitch who is too stupid, too afraid and too weak to actually try to understand a simple and straight forward issue. I should mention that I’m well aware that Morella is a troll who’s taking the piss. But dismissing such garbage by fiat does a disservice to the peanut gallery. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/951 "2010-10-24T22:26:12Z")
Silly **Lobohan** , you’re as gullible as all the other sheep out there. Don’t buy in to what the liberal media is selling you: [QUOTE] [ul] [li]Obama released his birth certificate. This is a fact and can’t be denied, except by someone simply ignoring reality.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE] It isn’t denied. Anyone can produce Obama’s birth certificate. If you want, I’ll go make a birth certificate that says he was born in Canada, to Jewish parents! [QUOTE] [ul][li]The officials in Hawaii have a state copy that they do not release to the public. [/ul][/li][/QUOTE] Obviously the government is going to protect the president, it’s the government, duh. It’s all part of the plan. Before running for office, various Chinese officials made sure to get key employees into specific bureaucracies. [QUOTE] [ul][li]The Hawaii officials, including Hawaii’s Republican Governor have seen the state copy and have said that it matches the version that Obama has released to the press. [/ul][/li][/QUOTE] Now this one is just too obvious to comment on. So now we’re just supposed to trust some random governor for a chain of island that isn’t even really part of the US? [QUOTE] [ul][li]Also, Obama had two, count them two, birth notices in local Hawaii papers when he was born.[/ul] [/li][/QUOTE] Right, which proves that the Chinese have time traveling capabilities. If you look closely at the wording, it was clearly written by someone from the future. [QUOTE] [ul][li]Children born in America are Americans.[/ul] [/li][/QUOTE] Sure, but what about robots from the future? Surely they’re not American??? Don’t believe the lies! The whole thing is meant to bolster the Chinese economy, fill the US with illegal immigrants. Then China can move all their manufacturing to the US and profit! That’s where I’m putting my money. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/952 "2010-10-25T00:36:16Z")
Why do all of these self-made men and women, who have all this money, and are the only really worthwhile people around, why do they spend so much time arguing on the internet? Why does a guy who lives in mom’s basement feel qualified to argue tax policy? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/953 "2010-10-25T00:53:25Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > And why is age relevant? Because you bring it up so often, you make your age part of the discussion. No, this is not close to being correct. I made the mistake once of answering someone who asked how old I was and my age is all I’ve heard about since. The issue rarely if ever came up before that. > [@emacknight](#): > > In fact, you once claimed that people believe UHC is good because they’re young. Hmm…seems to me I didn’t quite say that. Care to link to the appropriate post so we can all see what I really said? > [@emacknight](#): > > How is up there or your soap box? High. And honest. Honest and high. Want me to lift you up here so you can see what the world looks like when you’re all grown up? > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So where DO you think Obama was born? DO you think his presidency is legitimate? What do you think I think, and why do you believe that? > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Are people entitled to different opinions on this matter? Being a conservative in good standing, I believe that everyone is entitled to think for themselves and to hold whatever opinions they wish. But then I grew up in a more enlightened, less repressive time. 😃 > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Or is it not a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact? Beats me, I haven’t looked into it. What I can tell you is that the powers that be have held that Obama is legitimately entitled to serve as president. So to me - in that good and proper common sense way so characteristic of us conservatives ;)) - that’s the end of it. You won’t find me now, much less ten years from now as have so many of our more liberal brethren with regard to GWB, whinging that Obama “stole” the election. > [@Merijeek](#): > > Why do all of these self-made men and women, who have all this money, and are the only really worthwhile people around, why do they spend so much time arguing on the internet? Because it provides a way to directly confront people of the type whose thinking has been so detrimental to the welfare of this country for the last four decades. Prior to the internet all we could do was bitch amongst ourselves. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/954 "2010-10-25T00:56:58Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > all of these self-made men and women Isn’t that just another term for…_robots?_ ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/955 "2010-10-25T00:59:40Z")
Hardly. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/956 "2010-10-25T01:01:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, this is not close to being correct. I made the mistake once of answering someone who asked how old I was and my age is all I’ve heard about since. The issue rarely if ever came up before that. Oh, well, in that case I should apolo…oh wait there’s more: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Want me to lift you up here so you can see what the world looks like when you’re **all grown up**? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Hmm…seems to me I didn’t quite say that. Care to link to the appropriate post so we can all see what I really said? Sure, that’ll be $20. But for free I’ll give you a [hint](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=559440). ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/957 "2010-10-25T01:17:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Quote=emacknight] > In fact, you once claimed that people believe UHC is good because they’re young. Hmm…seems to me I didn’t quite say that. Care to link to the appropriate post so we can all see what I really said? [/QUOTE] Yup, it’s what you said. > [@Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/827): > > This board skews young. And it skews liberal. And it skews, how shall we say…financially challenged, in the main. Notice the inference to age, political leaning, and economic status that you imbue on the rest of us? > [@Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/827): > > So the fact that people on this board who are predominantly \*\*young, liberal and broke happen to like a government system that’s “free”, \*\*even if they have to wait months on end to get it, and who think it’s just great that their government is now finished with having suddenly decided to tighten its belt and the bad things about its health care system are finally going to “get better”, really means next to nothing in terms of which system is better. I guess in fairness I forgot to mention you also included liberal (although with you that’s a given) and broke. How do I get my $20? Oh I know, I’m going to use a bunch of government services I don’t pay for, but that you’ve been taxed enough already for. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/958 "2010-10-25T01:45:00Z")
Pardon, but I don’t see “_people believe UHC is good because they’re young_” anywhere in there. And you know why? Because it suggests a host of inaccuracies and nonsensities that are nowhere to be found in what I actually said. But then you already knew that, didn’t you? Otherwise you’d have paraphrased my comments honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/959 "2010-10-25T01:49:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What do you think I think, and why do you believe that? The critical question is really, what do **YOU** think that I think you think? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/960 "2010-10-25T01:53:15Z")
Why is that critical? I couldn’t care less what you think about what I think that you think that I think. You’re the one who asked the question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=49)