# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/961 "2010-10-25T01:55:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Why is that critical? I couldn’t care less what you think about what I think that you think that I think. You’re the one who asked the question. And you’re the one who hasn’t answered it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/962 "2010-10-25T01:57:45Z")
Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/963 "2010-10-25T02:08:11Z")
Who’s on first? - credit to Abbot & Costello for the line. Or not. They may have adapted the routine from some other vaudeville team. Just so **SA** does not think I’m taking credit for a classic routine. Must keep him happy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/964 "2010-10-25T02:27:06Z")
As much as I’m pleased by your heretofore nonexistent desire to keep me happy, I would be happier still if you simply answered the question. You’ve pretty clearly implied that you’ve arrived at certain conclusions regarding what I think or know about the question of Obama’s birth, and I’d like to know if I’m correct regarding those implications and if so what you’re basing them on. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/965 "2010-10-25T03:14:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …I would be happier still if you simply answered the question. You’ve admitted that you’re not answering his question, why the hell should he answer yours? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/966 "2010-10-25T03:22:51Z")
_cups hands around mouth_ Psst…I already answered it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/967 "2010-10-25T03:37:41Z")
I have no idea why you’d think that I would think that you would think that you would doubt Obama’s birthplace. Think about that. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/968 "2010-10-25T04:17:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > No stupid. His citizenship is a fact that you aren’t smart enough to have learned. This is the mark of 21st century conservatism. Your outright stupidity and acceptance of drivel is your defining feature. > > [http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born\_in\_the\_usa.html](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) > > He’s released his actual birth certificate. But since you aren’t smart enough to question things you have decided to believe in drivel. > > I’ll explain it so that even you can understand it: > > [ul] > [li]Obama released his birth certificate. This is a fact and can’t be denied, except by someone simply ignoring reality.[/li] > [li]The officials in Hawaii have a state copy that they do not release to the public. This is the same for everyone. If you were born in Hawaii they would not release the official state copy either. They would give you the same type of paper that Obama has released. This is also a fact, and if you gave a shit about facts and reality you would need to address it.[/li] > [li]The Hawaii officials, including Hawaii’s Republican Governor have seen the state copy and have said that it matches the version that Obama has released to the press. This is also a fact. And if you cared about facts and reality you would have to deal with it.[/li] > [li]Also, Obama had two, count them two, birth notices in local Hawaii papers when he was born. Your stupid bullshit ideas would need to account for the fact, if you cared about facts and reality.[/li] > [li]Children born in America are Americans. This is also a fact. And if you cared about facts and reality you’d have to deal with it. [http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp[/li][/ul]](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp%5B/li%5D%5B/ul%5D) > But you don’t deal with it, because you’re a cowardly bitch who is too stupid, too afraid and too weak to actually try to understand a simple and straight forward issue. > > I should mention that I’m well aware that Morella is a troll who’s taking the piss. But dismissing such garbage by fiat does a disservice to the peanut gallery. What I wonder is…why would you care whether or not Barry was born in Hawaii? Why do you feel the need to stick up for him? Is it, perhaps, because you need somebody to believe in? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/969 "2010-10-25T04:19:04Z")
You know what, guys? I’m calling this thread. It’s not really fun anymore. I’m going home, I hear my mom calling, she’s got apple cider. You guys want apple cider? C’mon. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/970 "2010-10-25T04:29:51Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > It isn’t denied. Anyone can produce Obama’s birth certificate. If you want, I’ll go make a birth certificate that says he was born in Canada, to Jewish parents! And now, we’re getting close to the truth. I lived under a fake birth certificate for many years…all I had to was take a copy of someone else’s birth certificate, copy it, delete some stuff with whiteout, and type it back in, then make another copy again. My roommate told me to take it down to the black neightborhood in South Dallas, where people wouldn’t be very smart, and they would accept it and give me a driver’s license. It worked. I had to do this because I basically “escaped” from France and came back to the US in the 80’s, against my parents’ wishes. I was born in the US, and I am a citizen, but it was actually easier to trick some black folks into accepting a fake birth certificate than it was to, ultimately, obtain a real one. If I can do this, with a xerox copier and a bottle of whiteout…guess what…so can Obama. Whether or not his birth certificate is real, I don’t know and I don’t care. His real name is Barry Soetoro, he grew up in Indonesia, and he is a Muslim. I’ve posted video of him admitting to all of these things, and some of you people still don’t wish to believe it. That’s fine. Worship a fake Obamagod if you want to. Put your head up your ass…maybe the view is better for you. Do whatever it takes to make you happy, believe in whatever you need to believe in. Life is too short to do anything else. Whatever makes you happy, believe it, and live it. Just don’t ask me to believe it…I know better. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/971 "2010-10-25T04:38:25Z")
What about the de-clawed kittens? How do they work into the picture? And the circumcised gay fetuses? (come on, I have a bingo card to fill up here. Give me a break!) ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/972 "2010-10-25T05:08:14Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > My roommate told me to take it down to the black neightborhood in South Dallas, where people wouldn’t be very smart Whoa, boy. _waits for firestorm_ > [@](#): > > His real name is Barry Soetoro, It may have been, for a while. I wouldn’t know. So what? No one can change their name now? If he feels more of a kinship with his birth father (who gave him his original name) than his stepfather, so what? > [@](#): > > he grew up in Indonesia, For a few years, yes. So? He’s never denied it. What relevance is this? > [@](#): > > and he is a Muslim. Which means that Jeremiah Wright has absolutely no relevance to him, yes? Anyway, he’s a poor sort of Muslim if he doesn’t do a single thing practicing Muslims do, like pray towards Mecca at particular times and so on. In that case, it’d make no difference at all, would it? As for the video, this has already been addressed in post 836. If there is direct evidence of him saying so, surely it’s reasonable to post a summary (e.g. on August 4, 2009, he said in a speech in Chicago, “I’m most definitely a Muslim.”)? Just so we can get context and separate the opinion of the presenter (which already says flat out that it’s not saying what you think it’s saying)? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/973 "2010-10-25T05:24:03Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > What I wonder is…why would you care whether or not Barry was born in Hawaii? > > Why do you feel the need to stick up for him? Is it, perhaps, because you need somebody to believe in? I care, because you are saying things that are not true. And you either already know this, or are genuinely too stupid to understand simple facts. I vote genuine stupidity. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/974 "2010-10-25T05:25:46Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > His real name is Barry Soetoro, he grew up in Indonesia, and he is a Muslim. None of that is actually true. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/975 "2010-10-25T05:38:23Z")
And who’s fault is that? **Morella** already said she saw the video where he said all those things, and you say he was lying! Connect the dot, people! ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/976 "2010-10-25T05:42:54Z")
People, stop responding to the troll. I know that “Obvious troll is obvious” has become an internet cliche, but this is one of the clearest examples i’ve ever seen. I know it can be hard to resist, but don’t feed it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/977 "2010-10-25T09:40:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Connect the dot, people! Wait - are you saying Obama’s a _Hindu_ now? I can’t keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/978 "2010-10-25T10:24:52Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > His real name is Barry Soetoro, he grew up in Indonesia, and he is a Muslim. > > None of that is actually true. Then why did Barry say it? Is he just a compulsive liar? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/979 "2010-10-25T11:12:42Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Then why did Barry say it? Is he just a compulsive liar? No, _he_ isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/980 "2010-10-25T11:57:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And who’s fault is that? **Morella** already said she saw the video where he said all those things, and you say he was lying! Connect the dot, people! I posted video of Barry saying all of those things. You people asked me to prove what I was saying, I did, and now you’re having a hissy fit over it. There’s just no pleasing some folks, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=50)