# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1041 "2010-10-26T05:13:57Z")
I never made an outright accusation, and, for you to claim so, and to refer to one simple question as “all the crap that you’ve been getting”, is disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1042 "2010-10-26T05:21:11Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > We can start with this: > > The 14th Amendment > By P.A. Madison > Former Research Fellow in Constitutional Studies > February 1, 2005 Excellent choice of constitutional “scholar”, and the quotes aren’t meant to convey anything other than pure unadulterated sarcasm. By the way, were you aware that this particular “scholar” says the constitution doesn’t give you a fundamental right to own private firearms, but was instead targetted solely at militia ownership? In other words, he thinks it is perfectly fine for cities and states to outlaw firearm ownership if they so desire. Still sound like your kind of guy? ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1043 "2010-10-26T05:24:00Z")
Whack! banned. Is it for terminal obtuseness in this thread or there was something else going on in others? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1045 "2010-10-26T05:51:29Z")
Try harder. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1046 "2010-10-26T05:51:40Z")
> [@Jean-Rene\_Anafoutra](#): > > Well, it appears to me that no one can win an argument with Morella, and so the only recourse they had was to ban her. How pathetic! Hi Morella, welcome back! Don’t get too comfortable on that couch, as you’ll be leaving soon. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1047 "2010-10-26T05:52:31Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Whack! banned. Is it for terminal obtuseness in this thread or there was something else going on in others? Could have been for that bit of gratuitous French aimed at **emacknight.** What she said means “Go get fucked up the ass, you moron”, which runs afoul of the language rules. Twice if the mods equate con with cunt (which would be correct etymologically, but not semantically). Usually only nets you a warning though, so 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1049 "2010-10-26T05:56:08Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Yes, because I haven’t seen it, and because, as I mentioned previously, whether or not there is a birth certificate, or a birth announcement, makes no difference. Then why did you bring it up? Or is that another one of your lies? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1050 "2010-10-26T05:56:12Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Could have been for that bit of gratuitous French aimed at **emacknight.** What she said means “Go get fucked up the ass, you moron”, which runs afoul of the language rules. Twice if the mods equate con with cunt (which would be correct etymologically, but not semantically). > Usually only nets you a warning though, so 😕 Oh, I wanted to be the one to provoke her. ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1051 "2010-10-26T06:09:47Z")
> [@Jean-Rene\_Anafoutra](#): > > Umm…I wouldn’t translate it exactly that way, but…I think that Morella’s banning had more to do with her getting the best of their constitutional “expert”. What is funny is that people who claim to be interested in getting at the truth are really only interested in the “truth” that jibes with the liberal agenda. Again, pathetic. 🙂 [sniffle] She just can’t quit the SDMB. It touches the heart, really. Or maybe the spleen. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1052 "2010-10-26T06:11:31Z")
Well, the trolling wasn’t sufficient for a ban, but the sock-puppet apparently did the trick. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1053 "2010-10-26T06:12:35Z")
Yeah, that pretty much clinches it as a troll. True nutbars will set up a sock but will freely admit it’s them. Acting like you’re someone else? That’s just dicking around. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1054 "2010-10-26T06:25:25Z")
That is the most transparent socking I’ve ever seen. Nice trolling skills, there. The username being a loose anagram for “I don’t give a fuck” in French is a nice touch. All in all, a solid effort. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1055 "2010-10-26T10:26:53Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > They’re saying there’s a latent defect, so to speak, in the way all these cases have proceeded, stretching all the way back to the 19th century, which hasn’t ever been an issue because no president before Obama actually ran afoul of the “appropriate” rule. But he, of course, does. Regrettably so. Not actually true. Chester A. Arthur had a british parent, and thus, was not an American Citizen, despite being born on American Soil. > **[HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH – PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH...](https://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/)** > > December 6, 2008  6:36 PM \[I have collaborated on this with my sister and historian Greg Dehler, author of  “Chester Allan Arthur”, Published by Nova Science Publishers, Incorporated, 2… At least, according to this line of reasoning. I’ve got some lovely sharp cheddar from Vermont to go with that cider. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1056 "2010-10-26T11:06:37Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Not actually true. Chester A. Arthur had a british parent, and thus, was not an American Citizen, despite being born on American Soil. > [Natural Born Citizen](https://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/) > > At least, according to this line of reasoning. I know this wasn’t your point, but from that site (bolding mine): > [@](#): > > Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, **and a dual citizen at birth** , if not his whole life. That looks like a pretty clear admission that Arthur was an American citizen at birth. The fact that he was _also_ a British citizen from birth is irrelevant. That whole argument falls down by itself. My daughter was born in London, England. The spouse and I are both US citizens (and UK permanent residents). Although she was legally a dual citizen from birth, one of the pieces of paper the Embassy gave us when we registered the birth had some wording on it (sorry, I don’t have it at hand) saying that it had not yet been legally determined whether her circumstances at birth made her a “natural-born citizen” of the US for the purposes of running for President or not\*. The US State Department does not have a view and the courts apparently haven’t taken one yet, so anyone claiming to know definitively is lying. However - born in the US to a US citizen parent = natural-born citizen. I think that one’s been settled, no? \*Fortunately we had the foresight to put an announcement in the Honolulu papers and bribe the Governor of Hawaii, just in case. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1057 "2010-10-26T14:02:00Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Oh, I wanted to be the one to provoke her. Maybe next time, until then, learn from the master. > [@Gyrate](#): > > However - born in the US to a US citizen parent = natural-born citizen. I think that one’s been settled, no? No, there are three more conditions: not a Kenyan, not a Muslim, not a liberal President. You know what I don’t get about conspiracy theories and their theorists: how is it they never realize nothing can disprove them? To prove Obama is a citizen requires a birth certificate. But showing the birth certificate just means that it’s an obvious forgery. So if you can’t verify the birth certificate, you can’t verify citizenship. There is nothing that can possibly prove he was born in the US to a US citizen. So then why bother? Wouldn’t you realize the entire system for establishing natural-born-citizenship is unverifiable, and thus its requirement to be President is irrelevant. If we were to apply this new system of citizenship, we could essentially trace all African Americans back to a parent that wasn’t allowed to be a citizen. Hence their children can’t be citizens, so their children’s children aren’t citizens. We’re left with a few New Englanders and a couple of people from Virginia that are inbred enough to legitimately claim noble heritage. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1058 "2010-10-26T14:13:00Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > No, there are three more conditions: not a Kenyan, not a Muslim, not a liberal President. So Obama makes citizen under the “not a liberal President” clause, or do you have to hit all three? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1059 "2010-10-26T14:16:28Z")
Time to head to ATMB to see if there’s a thread about the banning. Somehow, I doubt it. Mmmmmmmmmmmn, it’s a beautiful morning! ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1060 "2010-10-26T14:39:26Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Not actually true. Chester A. Arthur had a british parent, and thus, was not an American Citizen, despite being born on American Soil. > [Natural Born Citizen](https://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/) > > At least, according to this line of reasoning. You’re right. I left that part out because you have to draw the line somewhere, but to be completely precise I should have said that Obama’s the first president who was _known_ to run afoul of the rule, because Arthur supposedly lied about his father’s citizenship status (as seen in the URL of your link, for instance). The fact that he felt the need to conceal that is further evidence that it was widely known to be a rule. If he hadn’t lied about it, it would have been resolved right then and there and we’d never have run into all this trouble with the Kenyan. According to that line of reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1061 "2010-10-26T15:01:16Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, the trolling wasn’t sufficient for a ban, but the sock-puppet apparently did the trick. It was probably the blatant admission of trolling at the bottom of post #1033. The sock puppet entered the picture after the banning. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/1062 "2010-10-26T15:12:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It was probably the blatant admission of trolling at the bottom of post #1033. The sock puppet entered the picture after the banning. In the thread about the woman who binned the cat she also wilfully ignored an instruction from **Lynn Bodoni** not to post descriptions of animal torture, which probably didn’t help her case any. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=54)