# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/121 "2010-10-12T05:17:14Z")
I assume he’s usernamed after a mushroom because he’s such a fun guy. “Diaperheads”. Droll, very droll. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/122 "2010-10-12T05:22:05Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > How would you summarize the Tea Party? What are they all about? I wasn’t the one who made a claim about what their argument is. It was you, remember, who claimed: > [@Morella](#): > > Enter the Tea Party, with the message…we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress. My point was simply that this is not really the message i’ve been seeing, particularly the “not necessarily Republicans” part. > [@Morella](#): > > Before you start off with “they’re all about hating niggers and putting them in their place”, keep in mind that the Democratic Party was basically put together for that purpose. I’ll take Ahistorical Non-Sequiturs for $1000, please Alex. How fucking stupid do you have to be to offer this as a serious argument in 2010, almost 200 years after the founding of the Democratic Party? I’m not arguing that the Party has no history of racism; it has plenty, and there is probably still no shortage of racist among certain groups of Democratic supporters. But your attempt to rebut a claim i never made by referring to something over a century old is completely asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/123 "2010-10-12T05:44:17Z")
> [@](#): > > It was you, remember, who claimed:My point was simply that this is not really the message i’ve been seeing, particularly the “not necessarily Republicans” part. So I will ask you once again…what message have you been seeing? > [@](#): > > How fucking stupid do you have to be to offer this as a serious argument in 2010, almost 200 years after the founding of the Democratic Party? I’m not arguing that the Party has no history of racism; it has plenty, and there is probably still no shortage of racist among certain groups of Democratic supporters. But your attempt to rebut a claim i never made by referring to something over a century old is completely asinine. How stupid would one have to be not to see that nothing has changed but the tactics? Minorities are useful as a voter base…just keep them in their place with entitlements, and a belief that white people are keeping them down, and the answer is to tax the “rich” and hand out Obama money. I salute the new breed of conservative blacks who aren’t buying into that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/124 "2010-10-12T05:46:58Z")
I’m sure they are both very nice people. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/125 "2010-10-12T05:48:21Z")
**Morella** , I see that you’re new here. Welcome. Are you familiar with the phrase “strawman argument”? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/126 "2010-10-12T05:56:29Z")
> [@](#): > > **Morella** , I see that you’re new here. Welcome. Thank you. > [@](#): > > Are you familiar with the phrase “strawman argument”? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/127 "2010-10-12T06:04:31Z")
That’s nice. What would be nicer is if you employed a bit of reason and facts rather than broad brush strawman style talking points, particularly your claim of > [@](#): > > a belief that white people are keeping them down ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/128 "2010-10-12T06:29:46Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > That’s nice. What would be nicer is if you employed a bit of reason and facts rather than broad brush strawman style talking points, particularly your claim of > > > [@](#): > > > > a belief that white people are keeping them down Nicer…we’re trying to be nice? I thought this was a flame forum, based on some of the replies I have received, like this… > [@](#): > > How fucking stupid do you have to be to offer this as a serious argument in 2010 …and this… > [@](#): > > it is a completely understandable shorthand for their economic policies that anyone will more than three brain cells can comprehend. Are you in that group of people? You want me to be the only one here who is being nice, or using reason and facts? Why me? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/129 "2010-10-12T06:32:58Z")
It is your sacrifice to the jackal-headed god, Anewbies. ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/130 "2010-10-12T06:52:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is your sacrifice to the jackal-headed god, Anewbies. I don’t do sacrifices, and I don’t try to get myself banned either. It works out or it doesn’t…_j’en ai rien a foutre._ ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/131 "2010-10-12T06:59:40Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Nicer…we’re trying to be nice? I thought this was a flame forum, based on some of the replies I have received, like this… You’re under no obligation to be nice in this particular forum, but when your idea of an argument about current political debates involves an invocation of the antebellum Democratic Party, you shouldn’t expect to be taken very seriously. Similarly when you use the term diaperheads, apparently without irony. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/132 "2010-10-12T07:25:24Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > You want me to be the only one here who is being nice, or using reason and facts? Why me? Mostly because all that you’re doing is flaming, and making statements that reek of ignorance (I’ll go ahead and use your lovely “diaperhead” term as exhibit “a”), and this board is dedicated to fighting against it, ignorance, that is. If you do spend any time here, you’ll find that most people are nice, and they do rely on facts and reasoning to form coherent points, even here in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/133 "2010-10-12T09:20:45Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > To be honest, I don’t know that there is one right now. 😃 > > \*\* smashes **SA** ’s simley teeth out with a milk bottle \*\* > > Shut the fuck up! Sophists like you are a fucking disgrace to any kind of reasoned discourse and do absolutely NOTHING but spew venom and discord. How dare you profane “honest” but mixing the word into anything you say? > > I’m about as tolerant as anyone can be of any political viewpoint. I have no problem getting outside of my own beliefs to at least try and understand where people are coming from even when their baseline ideas are opposite my own. But at some point there is no more denying that someone’s views are not simply different, they’re intentionally inflammatory. People like you–haters, racists, 'phobes, thieves–you abuse the human gift of speech and so don’t deserve to retain the ability to use it. > > \> over the top invective deleted \< > > I hope you choke on something, and the sooner the better. Have you lost your mind? What’s so inflammatory about saying that I don’t think the Tea Party currently has a leader? Wikipedia itself says as much, stating that “_The [Tea Party] movement has no central leadership but is a loose affiliation of smaller local groups_.” [Cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement) And I’d like you to cite that I’m a 'hater", a “racist”, a “phobe” and a “thief”. And I’d like you to cite that people who, in your opinion, “abuse the gift of speech” thereby lose their right to use it…or that it’s a “gift” in the first place, given that the ability to use it freely is a constitutionally protected right in this country. And finally, I’d like to know how, in a rant so full of baseless accusations and baldfaced lies, you dare to accuse me of profaning honesty. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/134 "2010-10-12T09:49:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And I’d like you to cite that I’m a 'hater", a “racist”, a “phobe” and a “thief”. Your posts are my cite. I’m going to throw in ‘mind-numbingly stupid’ as a freebie. ---
**Author:** ![sleeping](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@sleeping](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleeping)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/135 "2010-10-12T11:19:38Z")
[QUOTE=Morella] Make up your mind. Are you going to blame Congress, or the president, for the war? Personally, I blame the diaperheads, and religion. [/QUOTE] > [@Morella](#): > > > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > > Even generously assuming that to be true, it happened in the early-to-mid 1800s. What’s the Tea Party’s excuse for embracing it in 2010? > > What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism? I assume you are referring to racism, but keep in mind that it works both ways. The race baiting that has been going on with Obama is disgusting. It’s sick. Anyone who does not go along with Obamacare, who believes that people should work for a living, who believes that taxes are crippling the economy, must be a racist? Sometimes I wonder if Obama was deliberately put into the White House just to make sure that no black man has a chance of becoming president again in our lifetime. I believe you just made the WTF comment of the day with that one. It may be early, but I’m calling it. > [@](#): > > This is the sort of crap that the Democratic Party has always been pulling, and has continued to do. They tell black people that the reason that they are down economically is because white people are keeping them in their place. That is most certainly horse shit, but they go along with it because it is easier than working hard, getting an education, and bettering themselves. Fortunately, more black people are turning conservative now, recognizing the shit for what it is, and making something of themselves, and I think that is a great thing. > [@Morella](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I bow to your insightful and erudite grasp of global issues. I think you should run for office on the Tea Party ticket. > > I think not. Once my opinions of religion were made public, I wouldn’t stand a chance. Besides, I’m the wrong color…right? > > > [@](#): > > > > ETA: are you you one of the people who threatened [sikhs after 911?](http://www.harisingh.com/newsBacklash.htm) > > If you saw my picture, you would laugh at your own comment. Oh shit…Dinesh D’Souza, is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/136 "2010-10-12T12:08:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Have you lost your mind? Long ago, but it’s not really relevant here. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What’s so inflammatory about saying that I don’t think the Tea Party currently has a leader? Wikipedia itself says as much, stating that “_The [Tea Party] movement has no central leadership but is a loose affiliation of smaller local groups_.” [Cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement) Not tellin’ > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And I’d like you to cite that I’m a 'hater", a “racist”, a “phobe” and a “thief”. Already addressed (thank you **tagos** ) > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And I’d like you to cite that people who, in your opinion, “abuse the gift of speech” thereby lose their right to use it…or that it’s a “gift” in the first place, given that the ability to use it freely is a constitutionally protected right in this country. Fuck you, titwit. I never invited YOU to participate, I invited you to crawl back under the frog shit whence you were spawned and stay there where you belong. Now GIT! > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And finally, I’d like to know how, in a rant so full of baseless accusations and baldfaced lies, you dare to accuse me of profaning honesty. I’m sure you would. But since we both know the truth of the statements, and that your calling them “baldfaced lies” is merely an attempt to save face from being called out, I have a better idea. Why don’t put your mouth to better use and suck on the south end of a northbound jackal and take what you’re given? And be careful swallowing it, I wouldn’t want your epiglottis to impede your airway resulting in your untimely demise–there’s a lot of jackals that need your help. Now, go-on! Git! Jerk. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/137 "2010-10-12T12:24:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And I’d like you to cite that I’m a 'hater", a “racist”, a “phobe” and a “thief”. > > And I’d like you to cite that people who, in your opinion, “abuse the gift of speech” thereby lose their right to use it…or that it’s a “gift” in the first place, given that the ability to use it freely is a constitutionally protected right in this country. Let’s see, that’s 5 cites in total, at $20 per cite. Are you prepared to cough up $100? Or did you forget that you just asked people to pay you to find a cite, which you still weren’t able to find. Or did you think we wouldn’t remember? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And finally, I’d like to know how, in a rant so full of baseless accusations and baldfaced lies, you dare to accuse me of profaning honesty. Uh, because we’ve read your posts? And they’re full of profaning honesty. $100 seems a bit steep, so for free I’ll offer this [one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=5787320). ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/138 "2010-10-12T12:53:31Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism? People like you. It’s not the overwhelming stench of the rhetoric of David Duke or the hateful violence of the KKK, but it’s the much more subtle, much more coded language of the people in the tea party. From idiocy of “diaperheads”, your flippant use of the n word, and your inane broad brushing of black people as too stupid to understand the pandering of the democratic party and that they are too lazy to work hard, get an education, and better themselves. And that’s just you in this thread. When you add in the same kind of rhetoric at Tea Party events and the numerous Tea Party guys making inane comments or carrying race baiting signs, you have a fair amount of evidence. Sure they’ve prettied it up, hid it behind codewords and broad brushing, but it’s there nonetheless. Call it prejudice, call it racism, call it conservatism, the label doesn’t matter much to me. But it most certainly is ignorant, like you. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/139 "2010-10-12T13:48:14Z")
But as **Clothahump** convincingly demonstrated, all those signs that said _nigger_ were planted by left wing smear campaigns! Why don’t you open your eyes and stop listening to the lamestream media? Huh? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Morella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Morella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morella)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/140 "2010-10-12T13:50:08Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > > [@Morella](#): > > > > Nicer…we’re trying to be nice? I thought this was a flame forum, based on some of the replies I have received, like this… > > You’re under no obligation to be nice in this particular forum, but when your idea of an argument about current political debates involves an invocation of the antebellum Democratic Party, you shouldn’t expect to be taken very seriously. > > Similarly when you use the term diaperheads, apparently without irony. I’m surprised that anyone took the term seriously, but, responding to it gave everyone else the chance to do the strawman thing and ignore the rest of what I had to say, and that’s always a good thing, isn’t it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=8)