# The thing I liked MOST about X-men 2. (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2003, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513 "2003-05-06T21:38:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/41 "2003-05-07T18:02:36Z")
I think there’s some confusion between Deathstrike and Mystique. Mystique (the blue woman) had one line in the original. Deathstrike (the Asian woman) has one line in the sequel. Deathstrike’s one line is addressed to Mystique (disguised as the janitor). ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/42 "2003-05-07T18:12:49Z")
Oh, and > [@](#): > > Anyone else notice any others? When Mystique was looking through Stryker’s computer files I noticed the name “LeBaeu, Remy” on a list of names. The screen flashed too quickly for me to see if I recognized anyone’s name other than Gambit’s. And of course Hank McCoy was shown in a TV debate, non-furry. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/43 "2003-05-07T18:16:59Z")
Sheesh. “Spoiler” is in the thread title, quit with the freakin’ black boxes already! Shadowcat(?) waking up, uttering an “eep”, and falling through the floor to get away was my favorite nice touch. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/44 "2003-05-07T18:24:49Z")
Hmm, last black box was 16 posts ago. I liked the screaming scene. I am not an x-fan so don’t know her name. That scene would only work at the cinema. (or on my computer with dolby 5.1 speaker system) ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/45 "2003-05-07T18:34:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Trion \* > \*\*Loved this scene too. Then again, I’m a big Nightcrawler fan. 🙂 > > However: > > Lots of people have been refering to this as an assasination attempt. For the record - I don’t think it was. Stryker wanted Nightcrawler to _scare_ the president, not kill him. A dead president can’t give Stryker authority for the raid on the mansion. Plus, an assasin wouldn’t need to leave a little note on the dagger. I think it’s not so much an assasination attempt as a terrorist attack. \*\* I’m of the same opinion, I think it was a scare attack rather than an assassination attempt. They never say just how long that mind juice can control a mutant, but it seems to be a fairly decent amount of time (would have to be to be practical) and it seems Nightcrawlers wore off just as he was hefting the knife/letter opener thingie (though perhaps it was the gunshot wound that broke the control or just scared him off). Although come to think of it, when quizzed about the attack by Storm and JG the last thing he remembers is being in the church so he probably had to make the commute and it was just bad timing that it wore off when it did. I remember him pinning the Pres down and lifting the knife/letter opener (which was it?) with his tail from the Pres’s desk, and it having the ribbon on it already, but that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I certainly never saw him tie the ribbon on. Anyone else have a different memory of the sequence of events? ---
**Author:** ![taichi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@taichi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taichi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/46 "2003-05-07T18:41:37Z")
Anyone else notice any others? Jubilee was rescued along with the other children… ---
**Author:** ![Asylum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Asylum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asylum)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/47 "2003-05-07T18:41:41Z")
He pulled it out of sheath on his ankle IIRC, not from the Prez’s desk. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/48 "2003-05-07T19:03:38Z")
Just saw it last night. Loved it. I really enjoyed the first scene, and also Mageto’s escape - I love it when he says “there’s something different about you…” - I thought that was Mystique as the bodyguard, so it was a total surprise. Loved the rotating tiny balls of metal that he used for a little ramp / bullets / etc. Is anyone else expecting Jean Grey to appear in the next movie as the flying sea creature from Kamino? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![easy\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@easy\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/easy_e)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/49 "2003-05-07T20:49:50Z")
One thing about Magneto’s escape, didn’t we see him fly in the first one? When he ended up in the torch of the Statue of Liberty. Or was he just levitating the metal in his helmet or outfit?. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/50 "2003-05-07T21:13:16Z")
**easy e** : Probably had iron soles in his boots. ---
**Author:** ![Asylum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Asylum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asylum)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/51 "2003-05-07T22:33:42Z")
Hmm, well in the comic Magneto can fly by riding the Earth’s magnetic waves or something. Perhaps the room he was in was designed to counteract them? However there have been numerous differences between the movies and the comic and maybe in the movies he can’t fly unless he has metal on him. Thought of another idea, even if Maggie could fly in the movies whenever he wanted he was in a sealed room, so he could maybe levitate to the ceiling but he couldn’t go any farther. ---
**Author:** ![Peg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@Peg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peg)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/52 "2003-05-07T23:18:08Z")
Broody Wolverine. That, I like. Score another one for broody alpha males who are great in fiction but would be a gigantic pain in the arse in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/53 "2003-05-08T00:20:18Z")
I noticed Garrison Kane was also on the computer screen above Remy LeBeau and Erik Lehnsherr’s names. He is one of Rob Liefeld’s creations, a cyborg with a Weapon X background, and first appeared in X-Force #2, fighting Deadpool. OK, everyone point at me and laugh! Franklin Richards had a little icon with his name on the computer desktop in that same scene. Dr. Henry McCoy made a cameo with a brief TV appearance when the guard was watching in the bar. And for whoever asked, Pyro’s real name is John Allerdyce, and he has always been an ally of Magneto’s in the comics. ---
**Author:** ![Mellenkra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9a28c/32.png) [@Mellenkra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellenkra)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/54 "2003-05-08T00:36:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*so it’s most likely that with the first kiss Rogue’s powers functioned like we’ve seen them function previously and she absobed Bobby’s powers and exhaled some frosty air. The second longer kiss led to his starting to be overwhelmed by her power (notice that his skin starts to go sallow, the same effect we see later on Pyro/John when she absorbs his powers to extinguish the flames). \*\* I would disagree 🙂 Bobby is the one who’s confident that she won’t hurt him, and seemingly prepared. Since you can see her exhale after the kiss, it seems logical that he coated his mouth with ice, thus there was no skin to skin contact. The longer kiss would have melted the ice, or he just didn’t produce enough. Also the names on the computer screen: Keniucho Harada - Silver Samurai Garrison Kane - Weapon X Remy LeBeau - Gambit Eric Lensherr - Magneto Artie Maddicks Jamie Madrox - Multiple Man Xi’an Coy Mahn - “Karma” Maximoff (2) - Quicksilver + Scarlett Witch Kevin, McTaggert - Proteus Danielle Moonstar Ororo Munroe - Storm ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/55 "2003-05-08T06:27:52Z")
SPOILERS The best part was: The faint bird shape that appears over the newly formed lake where Jean Grey was “died”. Could this perhaps be a hint as to the subject of the third movie, hmmmmm? Let me think, what happened to Jean when she “died” (the first time) in the comics? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/56 "2003-05-08T07:42:29Z")
Just saw the movie tonight. Lot of fun, great action. Bogged down occasionally when they got really serious or exposition-y, other times it worked just fine (fortunately, most of the stuff I’m talking about was early on, so it ended very, very strong). Hard to say what I liked the most. Ian McKellen looked like he was having fun. That was a crazy, bitchin’ escape. I think I’ve been told that in the comic books, he can fly just using the iron in his own blood - something they’d have to ignore for the movie, otherwise problems result. I liked that Magneto had more depth here than in the last one, forced into an alliance with the mutants who recently beat him. And I, too, thought the guard was Mystique. Nice twist. Wolverine was tons of fun. I don’t read the comics- does Cyclops always have this big a stick up his ass? It appeared to be oak in this film (I think it was birch in the first). 😉 Actually, though Deathstrike was fun, I enjoyed her death. Why? The clear pain it brought out of Wolverine. Not that I wanted him to suffer, I mean, but the inner conflict was a nice touch. Nobody could’ve had a better idea of what he went through than Deathstrike. This movie had some really nice moments like that. Nobody was bad; Anna Paquin was good. And I’m always an Alan Cumming fan, especially when he’s playing a German. [Cabaret.] Pretty funny movie at times, too. “We love your hair.” Last thought: did anybody else think the opening scene with Nightcrawler in the White House was a little bit of an attempt to upstage the Matrix? The moving cameras, the flips, the multiple directions… I’m not complaining, just wondering if anyone else had the thought. ---
**Author:** ![d\_redguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@d\_redguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/d_redguy)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/57 "2003-05-08T07:55:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > \*\* I don’t read the comics- does Cyclops always have this big a stick up his ass? \*\* In a word, yes. Well, most of the time. But yes. So when people complain about the terrible acting, what they don’t realize is that the characterization is nearly perfect. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/58 "2003-05-08T08:00:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > \*\*Last thought: did anybody else think the opening scene with Nightcrawler in the White House was a little bit of an attempt to upstage the Matrix? The moving cameras, the flips, the multiple directions… I’m not complaining, just wondering if anyone else had the thought. \*\* As a matter of fact - The scene did bring The Matrix immediately to mind. But it suited NightCrawler’s teleportation skill to a tee anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/59 "2003-05-08T08:04:11Z")
That it did. No complaints at all. (Actually, the fact that a Matrix trailer preceeded the movie, what with the teleportation in there, was probably what tipped me off.) ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513/60 "2003-05-08T12:58:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Number Six \* > \*\*The faint bird shape that appears over the newly formed lake where Jean Grey was “died”. \*\* I would just like to point out that at the end, as the camera was panning over the lake, this was apparently a sign to the people in front of me that the movie was over. So they stood up and started leaving, thus obstructing my view of the shape in the water. I could see that something was there, and knowing all about Jean Grey I could figure out what it was supposed to be, but I couldn’t get a good look. So I popped out my claws and sliced off their heads while I shouted “Sit down! Sit down! Sit down!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-i-liked-most-about-x-men-2-spoilers/173513.md?page=4)