# The Thing That Wouldn't Leave (Nanny) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 28, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880 "2014-06-28T19:19:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/1 "2014-06-28T19:19:13Z")
[California family vexed by fired nanny who refuses to leave](http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/27/us/nanny-squatter/index.html?hpt=hp_t2) > [@](#): > > “I fired her June 6 and she refused to leave, saying she had rights and I needed to evict her,” Marcella Bracamonte told CNN on Friday. “She quit working about a month before I ever fired her – she would just stay in her room.” > > \ > > “She threatened to sue me after I didn’t turn the air conditioner on,” Bracamonte said, adding that Stretton “wrote me this long letter with all her terms and what she wanted – she wanted my family out of our home for certain hours everyday – it was crazy.” > > \ > > Sgt. Don Dodt with the Upland Police Department told CNN that in general, once someone has established a residency in a home, the landlord or owner of the property must go to court to get the person evicted. I think people should have the right to kick people out of their own home. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/2 "2014-06-28T21:23:55Z")
The article I saw on the subject had an update: Nanny has disappeared. Just left one day and didn’t come back. Left all her stuff behind. Didn’t take anything with her. Just went _Poof!_ and vanished into the ether. ETA: [Cite, from USA Today](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/27/fired-california-nanny-wont-leave/11553965/) (“Today” being 6/27), to give just one example from Google. > [@](#): > > A fired live-in nanny who had refused to leave a Southern California home and threatened to sue has disappeared, the family said Friday. > > Marcella Bracamonte told ABC News that 64-year-old Diane Stretton left the home in Upland, San Bernardino County, on Thursday morning and hasn’t returned. She left behind her belongings. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/3 "2014-06-28T21:25:55Z")
…or vanished into the pickling vat. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/4 "2014-06-28T21:26:23Z")
Time to dig up a cellar… ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/5 "2014-06-28T21:28:19Z")
She threatened to sue the wrong folks and got the SDMB treatment! ---
**Author:** ![Inna\_Minnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Inna\_Minnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inna_Minnit)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/6 "2014-06-28T21:28:45Z")
Change the locks, move her things to storage. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/7 "2014-06-28T21:33:11Z")
Moral of the story - don’t hire live-in help. That’s really scary… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/8 "2014-06-28T21:36:01Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > The article I saw on the subject had an update: Nanny has disappeared. > > Just left one day and didn’t come back. Left all her stuff behind. Didn’t take anything with her. Just went _Poof!_ and vanished into the ether. > > ETA: [Cite, from USA Today](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/27/fired-california-nanny-wont-leave/11553965/) (“Today” being 6/27), to give just one example from Google. If I was that family, I would search the house _carefully_–attic, cellar or basement or crawlspace, closets, under the beds, you name it. Otherwise you just know she’s hiding in the house somewhere, waiting to come out at night and raid the fridge and maybe creep into people’s bedrooms. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/9 "2014-06-28T21:38:07Z")
California has really tenant-biases eviction laws. Other states aren’t like that. This probably wouldn’t have happened in another state. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/10 "2014-06-28T21:41:04Z")
Wait-- I just noticed they gave the nanny room and board, but apparently not a salary. I guess you get what you pay for. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/11 "2014-06-28T22:15:24Z")
On ABC news, they just showed her living in her car. She wouldn’t talk to reporters. The family has been putting a bike lock on the fridge so she can’t get into it. And the nanny has been served with some kind of papers. What a nightmare! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/12 "2014-06-28T23:10:39Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > On ABC news, they just showed her living in her car. She wouldn’t talk to reporters. So she’s been located now? (Sorry, I’m not actually following the story closely.) Last I read, from various articles as of yesterday, nobody knew what became of her. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/13 "2014-06-28T23:13:28Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > California has really tenant-biases eviction laws. Other states aren’t like that. This probably wouldn’t have happened in another state. [FTYF?: tenant-biases –\> tenant-biased ?] Can somebody give us a TL;DR about that? What about apartment tenants with month-to-month tenancies? All the stories “out there” seem to be evenly divided, that the landlord can evict at will for any reason or no reason (with the usual statutory exceptions); or that they can try but really can’t get away with that. ETA: In CA, to be specific. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/14 "2014-06-30T04:40:21Z")
One of the stories said that the cops can’t do anything because such a dispute is a civil matter. I really don’t agree with that but I guess it protects more people than take advantage of it ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/15 "2014-06-30T12:22:54Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > [FTYF?: 'Flex ‘Til You’re Famous’? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/16 "2014-06-30T13:57:44Z")
Around here I’ve noticed that the areas with more homeless people have stricter eviction laws. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/17 "2014-06-30T15:00:01Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > [FTYF?: tenant-biases –\> tenant-biased ?] > > Can somebody give us a TL;DR about that? What about apartment tenants with month-to-month tenancies? All the stories “out there” seem to be evenly divided, that the landlord can evict at will for any reason or no reason (with the usual statutory exceptions); or that they can try but really can’t get away with that. > > ETA: In CA, to be specific. In order to evict a tenant you first have to file a suit against them. In the case of a live in nanny, this has to be done after termination of employment. In the case of a month to month tenancy this has to be done thirty days after agreement has been terminated. The tenant then has five days to respond to the suit. The suit then goes to court. If the court rules against the landlord they have pay court cost and the tenant stays. If the court finds against the tenant, they then have five days to move out. If the tenant declares bankruptcy the process can be stalled. They are also additional rules for rent-controlled apartments. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/18 "2014-06-30T15:49:59Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I think people should have the right to kick people out of their own home. I’m not sure I understand this sentiment. I think using the word “people” is too broad and vague apply to this particular situation. People could include persons that have not established legal residency at the address. In this case, the person in question was more or less a tenant, who paid rent via labor. Use of the term “home” is a little misleading as well; in effect, a portion of the dwelling is a rental unit. This would be a civil contract case, just like any other rental/tenant case. The homeowners are not fulfilling their contractual obligations in the situation, and simply should stay out of the rental business if they feel that the law does not apply to them. This is not to say the renter isn’t bat shit crazy, but this does not really have any bearing on the statement I quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/19 "2014-06-30T16:12:59Z")
From CNN’s story: “CNN discovered that Stretton is on the California’s Vexatious Litigant List, a list of people who continually bring legal action, regardless of merit, against others with the sole intention of harassment. CNN found dozens of lawsuits filed by Stretton in California over the years.” So probably not the first time the nanny has pulled some kind of shenanigans like this. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880/20 "2014-06-30T16:19:54Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > From CNN’s story: > > So probably not the first time the nanny has pulled some kind of shenanigans like this. I must be missing something. The boy cried wolf, but eventually the wolf actually did come. Either the family acted legally in the situation or not; if it’s going to court, why are so many dopers in this thread making judgements based on media accounts? Why not just wait until the court case commences to make analysis? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-thing-that-wouldnt-leave-nanny/691880.md?page=2)