# The Tighty Righty Surge or A Plague of Trogs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872 "2008-09-16T19:02:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/61 "2008-09-17T02:32:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A straight guy who describes himself as “queer”? Damn, I hate it when I have to ask my son to explain stuff. Lucky you that he’ll still respond. With my kid, a dual-major at UCF in Astrophysics and Aerospace design, I need an appointment. ☹ FWIW, he sounds like a Log Cabin Repub coming…clean? ETA: going to hell aren’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/62 "2008-09-17T02:33:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A straight guy who describes himself as “queer”? Damn, I hate it when I have to ask my son to explain stuff. I meant queer as in different. You know, like the theme of this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![Vox\_Imperatoris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Vox\_Imperatoris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vox_Imperatoris)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/63 "2008-09-17T02:34:23Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Frankly, if what you say is true, I’ll be upset as none of them have reported to me, Supreme Commander of the Right Wing Resistance. > > I would hate to think they started the rebellion without me. Reporting in. 😉 Valete, Vox Imperatoris ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/64 "2008-09-17T02:35:39Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Lucky you that he’ll still respond. With my kid, a dual-major at UCF in Astrophysics and Aerospace design, I need an appointment. ☹ > > FWIW, he sounds like a Log Cabin Repub coming…clean? Sounds like a really smart kid. Must take after his mother. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/65 "2008-09-17T02:38:29Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > As opposed to decades of Noah-like patience it would take you realize what [most of the world](http://pewglobal.org/commentary/display.php?AnalysisID=1019) and half of your countrymen and women have already figured, namely, that Bush’s term and his politics have only led America down the gutter. Literally and morally. > > Want more? McSame and Caribou Barbie is your ticket. > > Just don’t say you weren’t warned about becoming international pariahs… > > Rah rah! USA #?! Yes, this is also an interesting thing I’ve seen here on the dope. Anyone who says they don’t like Obama gets bashed as a Bush supporter. He who declares himself anti-Pepsi gets bashed as a water-carrier for the Coke lobby. I hate half of Bush just as much as I hate half of Obama. The problem is that I can be socially liberal on my own but I need those in power to be fiscally conservative. It does get difficult when the fiscally conservative folks get nuts on the socially conservative issues (e.g., the DOMA), but what’re you gonna do? Who is John Galt? Also I’m not so worried about the USA being an “international pariah,” whatever that means. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/66 "2008-09-17T02:38:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I meant queer as in different. You know, like the theme of this very thread. Taking the word back…back. Next you will hear of the Christian Mothers Society having a gay old time at the cake bake.😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/67 "2008-09-17T02:42:22Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I meant queer as in different. You know, like the theme of this very thread. Ah! Well, that’s all sorted out, then. Still a lawyer, though, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/68 "2008-09-17T02:44:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I hate half of Bush just as much as I hate half of Obama. The problem is that I can be socially liberal on my own but I need those in power to be fiscally conservative. It does get difficult when the fiscally conservative folks get nuts on the socially conservative issues (e.g., the DOMA), but what’re you gonna do? Who is John Galt? When was the last time that a Republican President was fiscally conservative? Eisenhower? I’ve said it before – if the Democratic party is the Tax & Spend party, then the Republican party is the Spend & Spend party. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/69 "2008-09-17T02:45:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …The outside world isn’t ‘largely’ in agreement with me, only 50% or so. In your narrow world that is, for I see you keep ignoring reality: [**America’s Image in the World**](http://pewglobal.org/commentary/display.php?AnalysisID=1019) > [@](#): > > Sounds like a really smart kid. Must take after his mother Hardly. She’s an American. 😉 But I do give her credit for she is a die-hard Democrat and Obama backer. As is my cocky whippersnapper. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/70 "2008-09-17T02:52:19Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I thought you were going to buy a decent pair of shoes. What brand do you recommend for water-boarding? They need to look good on Polo chinos. Much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/71 "2008-09-17T02:52:37Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > When was the last time that a Republican President was fiscally conservative? Eisenhower? I’ve said it before – if the Democratic party is the Tax & Spend party, then the Republican party is the Spend & Spend party. “There you go again . . .” ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/72 "2008-09-17T02:54:24Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > In your narrow world that is, for I see you keep ignoring reality: > > [**America’s Image in the World**](http://pewglobal.org/commentary/display.php?AnalysisID=1019) Look! Someone’s got a new toy! Mark me down for a big “I don’t give a shit about that link no matter how many times **RedFury** posts it.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/73 "2008-09-17T02:54:29Z")
Well, a double major. Indecisive, yes? > [@](#): > > …ETA: going to hell aren’t I? Yes. I’ll save you a spot. ---
**Author:** ![Gotterfunken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/58956e/32.png) [@Gotterfunken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gotterfunken)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/74 "2008-09-17T02:56:01Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > Point of information: G. W. Bush is a Yale grad, not Hahvahd. He got his MBA at Harvard, though. Degrees from both Yale _and_ Harvard–what an elitist! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/75 "2008-09-17T02:59:40Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > In your narrow world that is, for I see you keep ignoring reality: > > [**America’s Image in the World**](http://pewglobal.org/commentary/display.php?AnalysisID=1019) I took luci’s use of the word ‘world’ to mean the U.S. outside this board. We have been speaking of liberals/conservatives in this country coming onboard here, so I took luci’s use of the word to mean the U.S. Having said that, I join **Rand Rover** in not worrying about the U.S. as a pariah. > [@RedFury](#): > > Hardly. She’s an American. 😉 > > But I do give her credit for she is a die-hard Democrat and Obama backer. As is my cocky whippersnapper. I’m sure they’re both fine people anyway. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/76 "2008-09-17T03:00:01Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Look! Someone’s got a new toy! > > Mark me down for a big “I don’t give a shit about that link no matter how many times **RedFury** posts it.” Oh but you will believe you me. Don’t thank me now. * * * Good company, **'luc** , good company. Over and out. “The God Delusion” awaits. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/77 "2008-09-17T03:05:01Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > In your narrow world that is, for I see you keep ignoring reality: > > [**America’s Image in the World**](http://pewglobal.org/commentary/display.php?AnalysisID=1019) Hey, at least Nigeria thinks more highly of us now. Wonder if it has anything to do with all those scams… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/78 "2008-09-17T03:12:48Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Oh but you will believe you me. > > Don’t thank me now. Ooh, a very vague prediction of something bad for the US. Surely there’s no way you would claim victory the next time any little thing happens . . . We’re still here after 911, so I’m confident in our ability to handle things (unless Obama is elected and guts the military and starts appeasin’ the hell out of things). You’re about to read a great book though, so I guess you’re not all bad. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/79 "2008-09-17T03:22:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > “There you go again . . .” I seem to recall that this was the retort Reagan made when Mondale scoffed at the idea that you could spend your way out of a deficit. It seems to me that we’ve been spending at a tremendous rate of late, but it’s not decreasing yet. Perhaps we should spend more and reduce taxes again. This time it’ll work, right? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872/80 "2008-09-17T03:31:38Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > I seem to recall that this was the retort Reagan made when Mondale scoffed at the idea that you could spend your way out of a deficit. Reagan said it to Carter first in their debate as a response, IIRC, to Carter’s reassertion that Reagan was a shoot-from-the-hip ideolog who was likely to get us into war. It paid off bigtime for Reagan then, and not so well the second time when Mondale was ready and waiting for it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tighty-righty-surge-or-a-plague-of-trogs/463872.md?page=5)