# The Tim Tebow thread - NFL 2010 draft **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253 "2010-04-24T23:17:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/21 "2010-04-25T20:46:28Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I agree, he can sling the talking points with the best of them. That’s Tebow dealing with the media, which is a completely different beast than Tebow dealing with his team, his coaches, his family, and people in general. There are enough people who have met him, people I kinda respect, who think he’s a genuine, well intentioned young man. Sure he’s good at dealing with the media. He’d better be because of all the venom he gets. It’s a natural buffer I think any human needs when dealing with that much attention. But that’s Tim Tebow the image, not Tim Tebow the young man. Tebow appears to be a very nice kid. Takes his job seriously and stays out of trouble. Kudos for that, but he’s exactly the same as probably 50% of the players in the league. The vast majority are good people, straight forward and hard working. I don’t think the fact that Tebow has taken something common and cultivated it into some grand persona is necessarily a good thing. As Chris Rock said, you don’t get credit for shit your supposed to do. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/22 "2010-04-26T14:13:28Z")
The other day, I heard Ron Jaworski on the radio saying, “I love Tim Tebow. I wish my daughter would marry Tim Tebow. But I’d rather have him as a son-in-law than a quarterback.” That’s about how I feel. Unlike many SDMB regulars, I LIKE Tebow. He seems like a good guy. But I wouldn’t have drafted him unless I already had an excellent team and he happened to be on the board in the 4th round. A team that’s already top-notch could adopt him as a project, knowing that if he didn’t pan out, it was no huge loss. But the Broncos? They already had a very good (though inconsistent) offense and a POROUS defense. They had huge holes to fill on defense, and barely even addressed them. To use their first pick on a quarterback who’s a big question mark seems reckless, at best. I already had questions about Josh McDaniels’ judgment. Now? There are no more questions- I’m SURE he has lousy judgment. And I’ll still think so if Tebow turns out to be a great NFL quarterback. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/23 "2010-04-26T14:46:43Z")
I think what is going to come back and bite Tebow in the ass is that McDaniels drafted him to have a marquee player that he could put his stamp all over and show off to demonstrate how smart he is. McDaniels trading up to draft him in round 1 will put tremendous pressure on the team to get Tebow out on the field and producing immeadiately. He will not get the chance to take a season or two to grow into the starting QB role or else there was no reason to jump up to get him. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/24 "2010-04-26T15:10:47Z")
I wonder how much of the decision was driving by the potential marketability of Tebow. Denver certainly has no problem putting butts in the seats, but I’d think that #15 jerseys are flying off the shelves across the country. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/25 "2010-04-26T18:44:25Z")
I would guess there are more #15 being sold then there are #9 or #8. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/26 "2010-04-26T19:36:24Z")
Given that the Broncos recently acquired Brady Quinn and already had Kyle Orton, can someone explain to me the rationale of McDaniels’ decision to draft Tebow? I can’t really imagine that the Broncos NEEDED a third QB more than someone to fill another slot (like, I don’t know, someone who could catch something that one of those QBs threw)? ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/27 "2010-04-26T19:47:45Z")
As an avid (and I suppose rabid) Georgia Bulldog fan, I am predisposed to utterly hate any member of the Florida Gators. But, I actually respected Tebow and his career at Florida. I wish him well and hope he makes it as the QB of the Broncos. That having been said, if he doesn’t take the Broncos to a 12-4 season, then McDaniels will most likely be out of a job. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/28 "2010-04-26T20:26:32Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > That having been said, if he doesn’t take the Broncos to a 12-4 season, then McDaniels will most likely be out of a job. I don’t know about all that. The Broncos were close to being in the playoffs last season. That said, they did in fact need a QB. Orton is decidedly average and Brady Quinn fucking sucks. I just don’t think they picked the _right_ QB, but obviously, only time will tell. I think they should have targeted Claussen. Subtracting Brandon Marshall and adding Tebow isn’t going to excite too many Broncos fans, I don’t think, but Marshall had to go. He’s a headcase and an indefinite suspension waiting to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/29 "2010-04-26T20:44:25Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > can someone explain to me the rationale of McDaniels’ decision to draft Tebow? I don’t think even McDaniels could - but if he sees Tebow as a project that can used as a flexible weapon in an unorthodox manner (line him up at fullback in some sort of Jesuscat formation?), then Tebow is one of very few players with that sort of flexibility. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/30 "2010-04-26T20:56:19Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Wow, we could not disagree more. The guy sounds completely and entirely phony to me. Not that I think think the rah-rah stuff and god talk is a lie, I’m sure he believes it and is a good kid … So he says what he believes, but yet he is “phony?” :dubious: > [@](#): > > , but the way to recites the talking points in interviews and seemingly manufactures quotable sound bytes is totally contrived. When he’s interviewed and asked questions you can almost see him mentally checking off the bullets on the flash cards his agent and handlers prepped him with. Crash: You’re gonna have to learn your clichés. You’re gonna have to study them, you’re gonna have to know them. They’re your friends. Write this down: “We gotta play it one day at a time.” Nuke: “Got to play”… it’s pretty boring. Crash: Course it’s boring, that’s the point. Write it down. > [@](#): > > Back when he made his little speech after the Ole Miss loss it sounded like something prepped for him by Under Armour, it was just PR intended to spin the news story in his favor. Except for the fact that we _know_ it wasn’t. He came directly out of the Florida locker room and did a press conference, answering a slew of questions and choking up several times. If you watch the full press conference, he very clearly took the blame for the loss, talking through the last possession and what happened, and then gave “the speech” at the end, after questions about the significance of the loss for their season. Yes it was clearly a self-conscious speech, but _that’s the point_. It wasn’t a spontaneous thing that slipped out – at some point in the last seconds of the game or while in the shower, he decided to make that public pledge, knowing full well he’d be held accountable; and then he backed it up. I like him, but I think he’s a bad situation in Denver. I think the Broncos will decline a bit this year no matter which of their QBs plays, and I don’t think McDaniels is a good coach. I suspect he’ll have some success down the road, maybe with another team. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/31 "2010-04-26T21:29:46Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > But the Broncos? They already had a very good (though inconsistent) offense and a POROUS defense. They had huge holes to fill on defense, and barely even addressed them. To use their first pick on a quarterback who’s a big question mark seems reckless, at best. To nit-pick, he was their second pick. Their first was used a couple of picks earlier to get a receiver to replace the one they traded to the Dolphins. Though that won’t help their defense much in any case… ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/32 "2010-04-26T23:35:05Z")
Tebow will be a bust. He just doesn’t have any zing on his passes (which is different from absolute arm strenght in terms of distance). Against the faster defenders of the NFL, Tebow will have trouble completing passes. His running ability will also likely be diminished against stronger players. It probably should also be a warning sign that McDaniels hasn’t shown a great ability to draft. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/33 "2010-04-27T00:29:23Z")
Does Tim Tebow do volunteer work and save kittens from trees and that sort of thing? People gush over themselves to talk about how good a person he is - and he may be, I don’t know - but in our society people often mistake “says PRAISE THE LORD a lot” for “good person”. Is he just highly religious or really a good guy? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/34 "2010-04-27T02:22:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Does Tim Tebow do volunteer work and save kittens from trees and that sort of thing? People gush over themselves to talk about how good a person he is - and he may be, I don’t know - but in our society people often mistake “says PRAISE THE LORD a lot” for “good person”. Is he just highly religious or really a good guy? [A brief article](http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/070308/spf_299150840.shtml). I don’t know the extent, but yeah, it seems he actually puts his actions where his words are. The article makes it sound like he does do a great deal of mission work with the poor. But I’ll guarantee you there are more than enough people who will tear him down for that too. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/35 "2010-04-27T02:33:11Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > That said, they did in fact need a QB. Orton is decidedly average and Brady Quinn fucking sucks. I just don’t think they picked the _right_ QB, but obviously, only time will tell. I think they should have targeted Claussen. > > Subtracting Brandon Marshall and adding Tebow isn’t going to excite too many Broncos fans, I don’t think, but Marshall had to go. He’s a headcase and an indefinite suspension waiting to happen. I’m not sure I agree with you about the need for QB, but no biggie. On the other hand, I am in TOTAL agreement with you about Marshall. FAR too large a liability. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/36 "2010-04-27T04:37:39Z")
For some reason, it occurred to me that he probably has an ancestor named Thibault who changed the spelling (or had it changed by someone). ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/37 "2010-04-27T17:05:31Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I’m not sure I agree with you about the need for QB, but no biggie. > > On the other hand, I am in TOTAL agreement with you about Marshall. FAR too large a liability. Noting your location, I suspect you are a Broncos fan. If you are, I have to ask: are you happy with Kyle Orton as your QB, especially now that Brandon Marshall’s production(and while we agree he’s a headcase, you can’t argue his stats) is gone to help bail him out? Do you want Brady Quinn QBing your team? Its too bad, really, for the Broncos. Had this been another year, they might have had a shot at a more sure thing at the position with a first round pick. It was a weak QB class. I think the odds of Tebow panning out as a good starting NFL QB are really slim. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/38 "2010-04-27T17:43:00Z")
Actually, I’m not a Broncos fan - I’m a Panthers fan (one of only two on the board, I believe, the other being **Southern Yankee** ). I, however, am forced to follow the coverage which is front page news of the Denver Post almost daily. So, my satisfaction (or lack thereof) is somewhat detached and only relates to how much hysteria I have to be exposed to when the Broncos lose 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/39 "2010-04-27T18:23:08Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Actually, I’m not a Broncos fan - I’m a Panthers fan (one of only two on the board, I believe, the other being **Southern Yankee** ). I, however, am forced to follow the coverage which is front page news of the Denver Post almost daily. > > So, my satisfaction (or lack thereof) is somewhat detached and only relates to how much hysteria I have to be exposed to when the Broncos lose 🙂 Ha. It can be fun to be a fan of another team living in a different city populated with rabid fans of a team that you derive pleasure from watching losing, if only to talk shit around the water cooler on Mondays… ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253/40 "2010-04-27T18:29:40Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Ha. It can be fun to be a fan of another team living in a different city populated with rabid fans of a team that you derive pleasure from watching losing, if only to talk shit around the water cooler on Mondays… That’s what so great about two-team towns, like here in the SF Bay Area. No matter how bad the 49ers have been in recent years, we can still laugh at the Raiders. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tim-tebow-thread-nfl-2010-draft/537253.md?page=3)