# The Tories' latest negative portrayal of Scots will not stand! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 28, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215 "2015-03-28T16:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/21 "2015-03-30T02:35:45Z")
Alas, it has, leading some of us from nucular powers to reach for the button to blow Scotland from the face of the Earth just to shut her up. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/22 "2015-03-30T02:48:38Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Nope, not being sarcastic at all. If you haven’t read that thread then it’s really not obvious how the op is supposed to be a joke or parody or whatever it actually is supposed to be That’s kinda why the OP linked to Pjen’s thread that was being mocked. If you read the OP and followed the link helpfully provided, it _is_ obvious. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/23 "2015-03-30T02:49:39Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > I thought Pjen was a guy! She’s a man, baby. -Said by a (fake) Scotsman ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/24 "2015-03-30T02:59:50Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Alas, it has, leading some of us from nucular powers to reach for the button to blow Scotland from the face of the Earth just to shut her up. Maybe something more Kingsman. And what the heck is “devomax”? From the linked thread. The pitting was a bit stealth, but roundly endorsed. I, too, tend to turn and leave threads once Pjen enters. If I make the mistake of reading the one she starts, I find I froth. Not a good look. The gun control thread being my current “favorite”. We’re so lucky she’s here to show us the way and the light. Never an ounce of condescension in her manner. Or a second’s delay between her replies. All 6 or 7 before anyone else can get a word in. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/25 "2015-03-30T04:26:17Z")
You forgot to mention that post#5 in a row is usually criticising another poster for not responding to posts 1 through 4, all made in the past five minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/26 "2015-03-30T04:38:20Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > And what the heck is “devomax”? “Devomax” is the term **Pjen** uses to refer to the maximum amount of devolution of powers from the British government to the Scottish government which could be possible. I don’t know if it is a common term in Scottish political discussions. However as used by **Pjen** , it usually is accompanied by sneering contempt for the leaders of the British government, for being so treacherous as to make suggestions during the recent referendum that they would be willing to devolve further powers to the Scottish government, thereby unfairly meddling in the referendum on Britain’s future for crass political purposes (ie preserving the Union). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/27 "2015-03-30T04:46:32Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > She’s a man, baby. > > -Said by a (fake) Scotsman Is Scotland like Montana, USA? “_Where men are men, women are men, and the sheep are nervous._” ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/28 "2015-03-30T07:28:38Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Is Scotland like Montana, USA? “_Where men are men, women are men, and the sheep are nervous._” Nah, that’s Wales. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/29 "2015-03-30T09:39:24Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > You forgot to mention that post#5 in a row is usually criticising another poster for not responding to posts 1 through 4, all made in the past five minutes. Once I learned from the J Chance mod comment about the replies link, it was very interesting to see the Pjen ratio. It is the ratio of Pjen posts in a politics thread to all other posts. It is remarkable to see it less than 25% and it seems to be most common to be 1/3 to 1/2. but pjen has made me care more about the Scottish independence. I used to not care at all. Now I feel I support the Union. see: [Will the 2015 Election be the last under First Past the Post? - Politics & Elections - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751718) User Name Posts [Pjen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[30](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=11894&searchthreadid=751718)[penultima thule](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=83082&searchthreadid=751718)[Malden Capell](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=126511&searchthreadid=751718)[Steophan](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=91922&searchthreadid=751718)[Capt. Ridley’s Shooting Party](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=37094&searchthreadid=751718)[PatrickLondon](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=168294&searchthreadid=751718)[Mijin](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=57611&searchthreadid=751718)[Quartz](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=29546&searchthreadid=751718)[Stanislaus](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=14183&searchthreadid=751718)[Fuzzy\_wuzzy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=145836&searchthreadid=751718)[CarnalK](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=7926&searchthreadid=751718)[BrainGlutton](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=32062&searchthreadid=751718)[amanset](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=2255&searchthreadid=751718)[That Don Guy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=101945&searchthreadid=751718)[Gyrate](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=10829&searchthreadid=751718)[Captain Amazing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=9827&searchthreadid=751718)[RickJay](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=7108&searchthreadid=751718)[i\_don’t\_care](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=168801&searchthreadid=751718)[foolsguinea](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=4190&searchthreadid=751718)[Chronos](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=4176&searchthreadid=751718) ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/30 "2015-03-30T11:27:24Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > “Devomax” is the term **Pjen** uses to refer to the maximum amount of devolution of powers from the British government to the Scottish government which could be possible. > > I don’t know if it is a common term in Scottish political discussions. It is. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/31 "2015-03-30T11:58:38Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Nope, not being sarcastic at all. If you haven’t read that thread then it’s really not obvious how the op is supposed to be a joke or parody or whatever it actually is supposed to be. I am English and have participated in a couple of threads about the referendum but had no idea that all of UK politics in this board is now apparently dominated by one person. **Pjen** is the reason the main UK election thread got shut down after it got hijacked and driven into the North Sea. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/32 "2015-03-30T12:30:15Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Once I learned from the J Chance mod comment about the replies link, it was very interesting to see the Pjen ratio. It is the ratio of Pjen posts in a politics thread to all other posts. It is remarkable to see it less than 25% and it seems to be most common to be 1/3 to 1/2. > > but pjen has made me care more about the Scottish independence. I used to not care at all. Now I feel I support the Union. > > see: [Will the 2015 Election be the last under First Past the Post? - Politics & Elections - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751718) > User Name Posts [Pjen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[30](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=11894&searchthreadid=751718)[penultima thule](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=83082&searchthreadid=751718)[Malden Capell](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=126511&searchthreadid=751718)[Steophan](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=91922&searchthreadid=751718)[Capt. Ridley’s Shooting Party](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=37094&searchthreadid=751718)[PatrickLondon](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=168294&searchthreadid=751718)[Mijin](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=57611&searchthreadid=751718)[Quartz](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=29546&searchthreadid=751718) > [Stanislaus](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=14183&searchthreadid=751718)[Fuzzy\_wuzzy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=145836&searchthreadid=751718)[CarnalK](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=7926&searchthreadid=751718)[BrainGlutton](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=32062&searchthreadid=751718)[amanset](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=2255&searchthreadid=751718)[That Don Guy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=101945&searchthreadid=751718)[Gyrate](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=10829&searchthreadid=751718)[Captain Amazing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=9827&searchthreadid=751718)[RickJay](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=7108&searchthreadid=751718)[i\_don’t\_care](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=168801&searchthreadid=751718)[foolsguinea](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=4190&searchthreadid=751718)[Chronos](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?do=finduser&userid=4176&searchthreadid=751718) And to quote myself in the most recent thread: > [@\[British\] Unionists putting the \[British\] Union at risk](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-unionists-putting-the-british-union-at-risk/715886/29): > > As of right now: > > Number of posts: 28 of which > 13 Pjen > 3 CarnalK > 2 Ryan\_Liam > 2 Jackmannii > 2 Captain Amazing > 1 Everyone else > > Reported for being the same old echo chamber bullshit. > > Get a fucking blog. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/33 "2015-03-30T13:20:48Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > but pjen has made me care more about the Scottish independence. I used to not care at all. Now I feel I support the Union. This is pretty much my view. As a British citizen, I suppose I have a bit of a stake in the outcome but I don’t live there and honestly it wouldn’t affect me at all. If anything, I probably started in the pro-independence camp (I was very much in favor of devolution during the Blair years, when I _did_ live there.) However, my only exposure to people on the anti-union side is **Pjen** , who is a frothing idiot. And I don’t want to see people like her in charge of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/34 "2015-03-30T14:05:16Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > **Pjen** is the reason the main UK election thread got shut down after it got hijacked and driven into the North Sea. Shame - I would have been up for getting involved particularly given we’re now in the actual campaign period. Doesn’t seem much point in starting another thread either, for obvious reasons. Fact is the Scottish question is an important component of this election and merits discussion; just not to the exclusion of all else. I, too, have noted the activity from **Pjen** in these threads and turned away rather than getting involved, so it’s not like I am blameless here either, as I could have tried to steer this onto other subjects - though I doubt I would have been successful with everyone else taking the same tack. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/35 "2015-04-02T07:26:13Z")
I first noticed her when she compared a convicted murderer to Rosa Parks. (Claiming that his botched execution would be the “Rosa Parks moment” for the death penalty) And seemed shocked when people were offended. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/36 "2015-04-02T07:33:30Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > There’s nothing sudden about it. This thread has always been about Pjen, thus the linking of a Pjen thread in the OP. We have always been at war with Pjenasia. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/37 "2015-04-02T15:59:20Z")
[This negative portrayal of Scotch will not stand!!!](http://www.wsj.com/articles/scotch-whisky-gets-left-out-of-the-party-1427922058) \*"Global exports of Scotch whisky fell 7% last year, as American drinkers continued to switch in droves to bourbon and other American whiskeys. It was the steepest drop-off in Scotch exports since 1998 and only the third annual decline in 30 years. Scotch sales to the U.S., the liquor’s biggest export market, fell 9%, according to British government statistics released Wednesday."\* We’ll devolve until we’re dizzy!!! ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/38 "2015-04-02T16:22:22Z")
From now on, whenever I enter a thread, I want it to be _a la Cthulu_. It could take some work, but it seems worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/39 "2015-04-02T17:03:55Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > We have always been at war with Pjenasia. Damn you beat me. I was gonna call it EuroPjen! ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tories-latest-negative-portrayal-of-scots-will-not-stand/716215/40 "2015-04-02T17:39:57Z")
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