# The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of school children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854 "2018-02-15T02:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/621 "2018-02-25T23:01:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I myself know a young woman here in the midwest who was the kind of high-school student every right-thinking parent would be proud of. Editor of her high-school paper, “A” student, still a virgin upon graduation (though not averse to makeout sessions), etc. Very much a has-her-feet-on-the-ground type of person. Then she went off to college (in a very small rural community no less) and within two years has gone completely round the bend, getting tattoos and piercings, railing about Nazis and Trump and feminism, jumping into arguments that have nothing to do with her on Facebook, and proudly observing that the person she was in high school would have hated the person she is now. … and her parents are no longer proud of her because of… _college???_ ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/622 "2018-02-25T23:07:02Z")
I’ve known kids who didn’t go to college at all, but they became much more liberal when they got more independence from their families and lived on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/623 "2018-02-25T23:13:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I myself know a young woman here in the midwest who was the kind of high-school student every right-thinking parent would be proud of. Editor of her high-school paper, “A” student, still a virgin upon graduation (though not averse to makeout sessions), etc. Very much a has-her-feet-on-the-ground type of person. Then she went off to college (in a very small rural community no less) and within two years has gone completely round the bend, getting tattoos and piercings, railing about Nazis and Trump and feminism, jumping into arguments that have nothing to do with her on Facebook, and proudly observing that the person she was in high school would have hated the person she is now. > [@Ravenman](#): > > … and her parents are no longer proud of her because of… _college???_ Sure: good women know their place. They don’t have tattoos or piercings, they don’t talk about controversial politics (which would just upset their young, immature lady-brains), they keep quiet on Facebook, and they remember that their best years were when they were docile children. It’s all because of those fancy-pants, highfalutin _college_ liberals that let them dress and act and think the way they want to. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/624 "2018-02-25T23:19:57Z")
Does it repeatedly mistype ciao as “chow” to be provocative? or is it simply ignorant? a purely rhetorical question ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/625 "2018-02-25T23:28:03Z")
Don’t forget, she also started having _gasp_ sex!!! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/626 "2018-02-25T23:48:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Does it repeatedly mistype ciao as “chow” to be provocative? or is it simply ignorant? > a purely rhetorical question If it were to take note of the wink smilie it would get a clue.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/627 "2018-02-25T23:54:27Z")
Sharting Fartist. He-heh. I was going to post some insightful, totally UN-biased knowledge, but now I can’t stop laughing. No offense, SA. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/628 "2018-02-25T23:59:44Z")
You must be new here. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/629 "2018-02-26T00:06:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > Does it repeatedly mistype ciao as “chow” to be provocative? or is it simply ignorant? > > > > a purely rhetorical question > > If it were to take note of the wink smilie it would get a clue.:rolleyes: You repeatedly say, “I’m done with this thread/the SDMB for the day or the evening” and then you continue to post. Do you not understand what it means to stop posting? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/630 "2018-02-26T00:08:09Z")
I’m more than a little upset that my OP about guns has been completely taken over by a geriatric windbag. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/631 "2018-02-26T00:09:12Z")
So sorry to disappoint but sometimes circumstances change. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/632 "2018-02-26T00:13:48Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I’m more than a little upset that my OP about guns has been completely taken over by a geriatric windbag. Actually it was taken over by people who didn’t like getting the blame for it. I’ve merely been answering them. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/633 "2018-02-26T00:18:36Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I myself know a young woman here in the midwest who was the kind of high-school student every right-thinking parent would be proud of. Editor of her high-school paper, “A” student, still a virgin upon graduation (though not averse to makeout sessions), etc. :dubious: For someone who claims to be all about the pre-1960s propriety and decorum and stuff, you seem pretty oblivious to the appalling unseemliness of a man in his late sixties taking an interest in (much less recounting to strangers on the internet) the sexual-activity level of a high-school girl of his acquaintance. I mean honestly dude, eewwwwwww. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Very much a has-her-feet-on-the-ground type of person. Then she went off to college (in a very small rural community no less) and within two years has gone completely round the bend, getting tattoos and piercings, railing about Nazis and Trump and feminism Huh. And here I thought that objecting to Nazis was one of the things that 1950s America was generally in **favor** of. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > jumping into arguments that have nothing to do with her on Facebook, and proudly observing that the person she was in high school would have hated the person she is now. You realize, don’t you, that none of your descriptions of this young woman in high school vs. college actually indicate anything in the way of ideological change? **High school:** Editor of high-school paper, “A” student, “feet on ground”, [sexual activity details redacted because you really shouldn’t be thinking or talking about underage girls’ love lives] **College:** Tattoos and piercings, anti-Nazi, anti-Trump, feminist, argumentative, [sexual activity details not mentioned, and still none of your business much less ours] There’s nothing about being an “A” student or a student paper editor in high school that automatically makes one non-argumentative, pro-Nazi, non-feminist, etc. So in what way are you claiming that this young woman has changed from high school to college, other than having acquired some tattoos and piercings, which these days is nothing particularly daring or unconventional? (Hell, I’m an old-fashioned middle-aged auntie-type who crochets doilies and sends handwritten condolence letters, and even _I_ have a tattoo.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/634 "2018-02-26T00:36:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So sorry to disappoint but sometimes circumstances change. Yes, you started arguments with off-topic messages. If only there was [a word](http://images.slideplayer.com/35/10325815/slides/slide_6.jpg) for such behavior… ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/635 "2018-02-26T01:02:31Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Yes, you started arguments with off-topic messages. If only there was [a word](http://images.slideplayer.com/35/10325815/slides/slide_6.jpg) for such behavior… But that’s soooo 2001. I thought an Internet Troll these days was anybody who did not agree… with someone or something. Or possibly a fake Russian Facebook account? I think there are some other newer types around now a well. Oh hell, maybe we’re ALL trolls. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/636 "2018-02-26T01:24:52Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > You repeatedly say, “I’m done with this thread/the SDMB for the day or the evening” and then you continue to post. Do you not understand what it means to stop posting? That and we can see when he’s online. Plus it’s a fucking message board, since when do you have to “sign off” and tell people you’ll be back later? Nobody gives a shit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/637 "2018-02-26T01:37:35Z")
My account is set to keep me logged in all the time, Moronica. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/638 "2018-02-26T01:38:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > That and we can see when he’s online. Plus it’s a fucking message board, since when do you have to “sign off” and tell people you’ll be back later? Nobody gives a shit. He understands how this works just like someone who is really, really old. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/639 "2018-02-26T01:52:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My account is set to keep me logged in all the time, Moronica. That’s…not how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/640 "2018-02-26T02:57:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I myself know a young woman here in the midwest who was the kind of high-school student every right-thinking parent would be proud of. Editor of her high-school paper, “A” student, still a virgin upon graduation (though not averse to makeout sessions), etc. This is fucking creepy. How the fuck do you know so much about this high school girl’s sexual activities? And don’t you spend your time on message boards defending pedophiles and rapists, and fucking paper towel tubes? This girl’s parents deserve to know your bizarre proclivities before they let their daughter near you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=33)