# The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of school children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854 "2018-02-15T02:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/701 "2018-02-27T21:58:45Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Old men in the 50s didn’t speak this way. Of course they did. Young men too. But not in public, and the country was better off for it. And if you guys think you’re bugging me with all this old guy talk, just remember I’m a conservative, and therefore a realist. In other words, things are what they are. My age is what it is and I spend zero hours lamenting that fact. Thanks also to my conservatism I’m an optimist and am aware that many people don’t get to live as long as I have, and that many who have, haven’t been able to enjoy the same health and activity level that I have. You people are pissed because I criticize your thinking and what you’ve done, so like children in a schoolyard you seize upon things about me you think you can make fun of to try to mock or bully me into going away. And yet here we are fifteen years later and it still isn’t working. And you have yet to learn that it doesn’t work. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/702 "2018-02-27T22:27:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > , so like children in a schoolyard you seize upon things about me _shudder_ With the pedo talk again. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/703 "2018-02-27T22:33:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You people are pissed because I criticize your thinking and what you’ve done, so like children in a schoolyard you seize upon things about me you think you can make fun of to try to mock or bully me into going away. I’m not sure I’ve seen very much of that, though no doubt you can dig up some of the insults that you find most memorable. Most of the comments I remember are substantive. And speaking for myself, I have no fervent wish for you to go away. You’re amusing. You’re so far-right old-school conservative, your arguments so completely unsupportable and so predictably out of the Republican playbook (not just any Republican playbook, but the historic first edition, © 1953, D. Eisenhower, ed.) that the things you write are practically self-parodies. There are a few posters here that are just a waste of space, but you add color to the board. Reading your posts is a little like reading _The Onion_. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/704 "2018-02-27T22:45:58Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > _shudder_ > > With the pedo talk again. ☹ I really have to wonder about people like you and **Hector the Librarian** who are so fixated on the subject of sex with kids. It’s like the Paterno issue and my debunking of it has provided you with the perfect excuse to indulge your feverish interests while pretending to project them onto me. Your ferreting out and snipping this totally unrelated comment from a completely different subject is a perfect example of where your interests really lie. I suggest you seek help while everything is (presumably) still in its nascent stage. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/705 "2018-02-27T22:56:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s like the Paterno issue and my debunking of it Remind us how you debunked it? It was such a great argument that everyone deserves a chance to hear it again. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/706 "2018-02-27T23:01:44Z")
It’s right there for anyone for anyone to see, as you perfectly well know. I’ll not be rehashing it here. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/707 "2018-02-27T23:36:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Of course they did. Young men too. But not in public, and the country was better off for it. > > And if you guys think you’re bugging me with all this old guy talk, just remember I’m a conservative, and therefore a realist. In other words, things are what they are. My age is what it is and I spend zero hours lamenting that fact. Thanks also to my conservatism I’m an optimist and am aware that many people don’t get to live as long as I have, and that many who have, haven’t been able to enjoy the same health and activity level that I have. You people are pissed because I criticize your thinking and what you’ve done, so like children in a schoolyard you seize upon things about me you think you can make fun of to try to mock or bully me into going away. And yet here we are fifteen years later and it still isn’t working. And you have yet to learn that it doesn’t work. > > _shrug_ Yep, you got us. Being nice and polite didn’t work. Using LBJ’s motto “Come let us reason together” didn’t work. May as well give you exactly what you want. We’ll be your LIBERAL BOOGYMEN! (Muahahahahaha) We hate America and wipe our asses with the American flag. We’re going to contact the _Deep State_ and have them raise taxes on you so high, you won’t be able to afford any more bike shorts. Don’t worry, I’ll send you one of my soiled flags to wear. The fecal matter was generated by an all-vegan diet, _just for you!_ Speaking of bike shorts, I bet the tattooed chick sent a pic of you wearing them to all her Social Media friends and tagged it “OMG \.” One of her boy friends (she has a lot, because she’s a liberal whore) commented “That’s the creepy old guy who keeps trying to get me to test toilet paper tubes.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/708 "2018-02-28T00:08:17Z")
Face it: you’re always going to be known as The Cardboard Tube Guy. Whatever your intention was, it came off as gross and creepy. Just suck it up and deal. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Of course they did. Young men too. But not in public, and the country was better off for it. Yeah, and we have a [word](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy) for that. “Better off”? Well, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree there. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/709 "2018-02-28T00:45:52Z")
You never did tell us how you knew that the high school girl was “not averse to makeout sessions.” Is that something else you’re “not going to rehash?” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/710 "2018-02-28T00:53:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And if you guys think you’re bugging me with all this old guy talk, just remember **I’m a conservative, and therefore a realist**. Cite? Because from where the rest of the world is sitting, that’s total bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/711 "2018-02-28T01:48:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … It’s like the Paterno issue and my debunking of it has provided you with … Paper towel tubes for all my friends! And lube. Lube, too. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/712 "2018-02-28T02:25:37Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You never did tell us how you knew that the high school girl was “not averse to makeout sessions.” Is that something else you’re “not going to rehash?” Binoculars and some bushes to hide in. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/713 "2018-02-28T02:26:04Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Remind us how you debunked it? It was such a great argument that everyone deserves a chance to hear it again. My recollection is that SA finally agreed that, yes, it is possible for a tall person to rape a child in the position McQueary claimed to see Sandusky, but that it still didn’t happen in this particular occurrence, for reasons never explained. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/714 "2018-02-28T06:34:42Z")
I don’t recall that, I do recall him insinuating that I, who, as a child, was raped by a tall man in exactly that position, was lying. I have never had an apology or retraction from him on that, nor do I expect one, because it’s \*\*SA \*\* - decorum is something that liberals should be practicing, hypocrisy is good enough for him. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/715 "2018-02-28T07:06:50Z")
I remember that. And that’s probably when I saw what a truely hateful piece of shit he is. > [@silenus](#): > > Cite? > > Because from where the rest of the world is sitting, that’s total bullshit. Good luck with that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him give a cite in all the time he’s posted here. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/716 "2018-02-28T07:31:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My recollection is that SA finally agreed that, yes, it is possible for a tall person to rape a child in the position McQueary claimed to see Sandusky, but that it still didn’t happen in this particular occurrence, for reasons never explained. **iiandyiiii** , every time I start thinking you’re a pretty good guy after all you come along and post this ridiculous bullshit yet again. I never made this ridiculous claim and you know it because I’ve explained it to you multiple times. You even apologized last time for having gotten it wrong ‘if you did’. :rolleyes: And yet here you are again with basically the same ol’ horseshit, but with the slight modification of ‘child’ vs. ‘short person’. Do you really want to find yourself in company with the likes of **Hector the Librarian** , **Evil Economist** and others who continue to lie about what I said in that thread in an attempt to score illegitimate points of some kind against me? I truly think you’re better than that and it’s a mystery to me why you continue to behave this way. Peer pressure, a desire to fit in, what? As for you, **Dribble** , out of respect for what you’d experienced I largely chose not to discuss the issue with you at all, or at least as little as I could get away with. And I didn’t call you a liar. What I did say was that your experience, as you described it, was materially different than the scenario under discussion. I stand by that, but will not explain why here. I haven’t apologized in the meantime for the simple reason I haven’t felt an apology was necessary. In fact, the need for one has never crossed my mind. Ordinarily I’d offer to meet you in the Paterno thread and be more specific, but given the antagonistic way you interpreted what I said at the time and which you just relayed here (i.e., I called you a liar), as well as your combative behavior toward me since then, I have zero belief it would accomplish anything remotely positive. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/717 "2018-02-28T08:19:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **iiandyiiii** , every time I start thinking you’re a pretty good guy after all you come along and post this ridiculous bullshit yet again. I never made this ridiculous claim and you know it because I’ve explained it to you multiple times. Yes, you “explained” your brilliant logic multiple times. Very simple, really: first, you assume the height of a child. It’s very important that the height you assume the child to be is sufficiently short that his anus is exactly the same height as a toilet paper tube. On what basis do you make this assumption? That’s not important. You’re\*\* Starving Artist\*\* and you have a pedophile to defend. Then you assume that a grown man is unable to bend his knees. Being unable to bend his knees would make him unable to walk, but you see him walk. Ignore that. You’re **Starving Artist** and you have a pedophile to defend. Then you assume that the grown man chooses not to move his feet apart, which is the natural thing to do when having standing sex with someone shorter than you. Pretend no one ever does that. You’re **Starving Artist** and you have a pedophile to defend. And someone posts to the thread saying he was raped at the same age in the same way, so it’s definitely physically possible. Ignore him, with his stupid facts. You’re **Starving Artist** and you have a pedophile to defend. People are calling you an idiot? Ignore them, you’re winning the thread. You’re **Starving Artist** and you have a pedophile to defend. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/718 "2018-02-28T08:35:16Z")
Only stupid people believe that. Q.E.D. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/719 "2018-02-28T09:11:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Only stupid people believe that. Correct! I’m glad you’ve seen the error of your ways. Now go apologize to **MrDibble**. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/720 "2018-02-28T10:17:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As for you, **Dribble** , out of respect for what you’d experienced Fuck your “respect”. It might seem less two-faced if you used my proper name, you senile jizz-waste. > [@](#): > > I largely chose not to discuss the issue with you at all, “Didn’t discuss it until badgered”, you mean. Couching that as “respect” now is just self-serving bullshit. Or you’ve forgotten what you actually said, which, I mean, I get, we all know you’re getting on… > [@](#): > > And I didn’t call you a liar. Like fuck, you didn’t: > [@It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/4348): > > your childhood perceptions of some of these might be skewed due to your size and the fact you were a child at the time. That’s you telling me, to my face, that what I was saying happened, didn’t happen the way I said it did. That’s calling me a liar. > [@](#): > > In fact, the need for one has never crossed my mind. That much is obvious - if it tried, it’d doubtless die in the vacuum. > [@](#): > > Ordinarily I’d offer to meet you in the Paterno thread and be more specific, but given the antagonistic way you interpreted what I said at the time and which you just relayed here (i.e., I called you a liar), as well as your combative behavior toward me since then, I have zero belief it would accomplish anything remotely positive. I don’t want an apology from you, you dumb old shart. I just want to point out, _to everyone else_, that the Prince of Past Politesse is the kind of hypocrite who would unapologetically call a rape victim a liar to defend a paedophile rapist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=37)