# The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of school children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854 "2018-02-15T02:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/741 "2018-02-28T23:45:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Bad things exist in every country and in every time. The key is to correct them in ways that are mature, intelligent and reasoned rather than by twisting off like a pop bottle rocket in all directions at once and making ten things worse for every one that gets even slightly better. Women’s suffrage, the end of prohibition and important civil rights legislation were all enacted prior to the counterculture era and without turning the country into the vile, vulgar, drug and crime infested, poorly-educated cesspool it is today. Poorly educated? Are you serious? College degree attainment has skyrocketed since the 50s and 60s, especially among women and minorities! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/742 "2018-02-28T23:46:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What really gets me is the unkindness and indecency. You claim to be a kind and decent person, but posts like this belie that. Kind and decent people don’t challenge survivors of child rape on their claims, they don’t say they might be wrong about their own experiences, they don’t call them liars, etc. They do once the alleged rape victim has revealed himself to be a liar. I’m having a very hard time believing you’re really this obtuse. And now I’m out for the night. Ta. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/743 "2018-02-28T23:48:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Poorly educated? Are you serious? College degree attainment has skyrocketed since the 50s and 60s, especially among women and minorities! “People in this country are poorer than ever.” “Oh, yeah?” “Oh, yeah” “Well, we have more billionaires than ever!” “What about that, huh?” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/744 "2018-02-28T23:50:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > They do once the alleged rape victim has revealed himself to be a liar. > > I’m having a very hard time believing you’re really this obtuse. > > And now I’m out for the night. Ta. You’re choosing to believe this so you can insult him. It’s a choice you’re making. Making such a choice is shitty, unkind, indecent, etc. All this time, over and over, what you’ve clung to most was that you were decent and kind and those who criticized you were not. That’s just not true. A bunch of silliness, and I know I’ve taken part in the silliness at times. But I still try to be a kind and decent poster, and it’s a shame you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/745 "2018-02-28T23:51:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > “People in this country are poorer than ever.” > > “Oh, yeah?” “Oh, yeah” “Well, we have more billionaires than ever!” “What about that, huh?” > > :rolleyes: Huh? By what basis could you possibly claim that we’re a poorly educated country compared to a past in which actual statistics on education (degree attainment and the like) were so much worse? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/746 "2018-02-28T23:54:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Huh? By what basis could you possibly claim that we’re a poorly educated country compared to a past in which actual statistics on education (degree attainment and the like) were so much worse? “Poorly educated” doesn’t mean “has less education”. It means “people don’t recognize anymore that things were better before the young/poor/marginalized got uppity.” If we was properly edjumacated nobody would be a liberal. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/747 "2018-02-28T23:55:16Z")
We live in very different countries then. No wonder you’re the bitter man you are. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/748 "2018-03-01T00:14:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Bad things exist in every country and in every time. The key is to correct them in ways that are mature, intelligent and reasoned rather than by twisting off like a pop bottle rocket in all directions at once and making ten things worse for every one that gets even slightly better. Women’s suffrage, the end of prohibition and important civil rights legislation were all enacted prior to the counterculture era and without turning the country into the vile, vulgar, drug and crime infested, poorly-educated cesspool it is today. So we weren’t able to fool you like we did every college-educated neophyte. You foiled our plans by skipping school! Luckily you’re such a crotchety dislikeable fuck, nobody wants to share in your vision of the truth. PRAISE SOROS! Now that marijuana is on its way to complete legalization, we’re going to get heroin and KUE-KAIN into every American home! You think this country is vile, vulgar, drug and crime infested now, wait till the mid terms! PRAISE SOROS! We’re working on rewording the Bible next. God is now going to be gender neutral and all references to sHe being a father will be removed. PRAISE SOROS! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/749 "2018-03-01T01:07:19Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Starving Artist](#): > > > > As I said, you’ve been an absolute jerk to me going on six years now > > I’m sure it’s been longer than that - probably from when you were first complaining how today’s Negros are more uppity than back in the 50s (my paraphrase, of course) > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > I’m sure it’s been longer than that - probably from when you were first complaining how today’s Negros are more uppity than back in the 50s… > > Okay, now I get to call you a liar. You. are. a. liar! A lying liar who lies! :dubious: Interesting selective quoting there on your part, **Starving Artist**. It’s a lot easier to claim that someone else is lying about you when you deliberately omit the part where he acknowledges that his description is a paraphrase rather than a literal representation of your remarks. And as a matter of fact,“complaining how today’s Negros are more uppity than back in the 50s” is not really inaccurate or unfair as a sarcastic paraphrase of some of the things you’ve said about the “attitudes” of American blacks. Take [this 2011 thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=600614), for instance: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > > [@Little Nemo](#): > > > > Why aren’t black people in the mainstream? Is it because they don’t want to enter the mainstream or is it because the mainstream doesn’t want to let them in? > > I think that these days the answer is probably more than they don’t want to enter the mainstream than it is that the mainstream doesn’t want to let them in, even though vestiges of the latter are still to be found. > > It almost like things have gone down like this: > > Blacks: We demand equal rights! > > Whites: Okay, you’re right. We’ve passed laws and now you have equal rights. > > Blacks: Good! Now go away and leave us alone! […] > > The only way black people are ever going to achieve a full and comfortable social and economic equality with whites in this country is to drop the attitudes and behaviors that set them apart, no matter how understandable or justifiable they were at one time […] > > […] what leads you to think that when that magical moment arrives when the last drop of racism has been eliminated, black people, whose resentments and self-segregation have been championed by people like you, will magically drop all those resentments and attitudes and suddenly start to embrace a resistance to crime, an appreciation of education […] > > […] having more or less acheived the equality desegregation they had been striving for, blacks are more or less segregating themselves now. […] > > I just happen to think it’s ridiculous to believe that we should wait 50 years or however long it takes for the last vestige of racism to die out before black people begin joining the rest of society and abandoning the self-destructive, anti-white resentments that are doing more to hold them back these days than any racist ever could […] And mind you, that was in a thread that was trying to explore the persistence of racial disparity and discrimination in the criminal justice system, based on some pretty specific statistical analysis. Nonetheless, you kept on trying to insist that the fundamental problem is really black people’s “self-segregation” and “resentment” and “attitudes” that are “holding them back” from “joining the rest of society”. Of course you didn’t literally use the exact words _“today’s Negros are more uppity”_, and of course **MrDibble** never claimed that you did. But that phrase isn’t actually a bad description of the patronizing, scolding tone of your remarks about black “attitudes”. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Now I have cause to suspect the validity of your rape claim as well. For all I know you made it up out of whole cloth […] > > See, here’s the thing when one is shown to be a liar - everything they say or have said becomes suspect. :dubious: Hmmm. Deliberately obfuscating another poster’s explicitly acknowledged paraphrase, so you can try to present it instead as an outright lie, so you can use that as an excuse to try to discredit everything else the poster says, even including his long-ago allusions to his experiences as a victim of child molestation. No. That is not something a that a truly “nice and likable” person would do. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > But be that as it may, this is the only place where I act like this. People who are genuinely nice and likable don’t keep a private corner of internet anonymity as their personal spite-and-anger playground where they heap blame on everybody else for their own unpleasant behavior. Not even if they protest at the same time that they would never behave so unpleasantly anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/750 "2018-03-01T01:31:53Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > “Poorly educated” doesn’t mean “has less education”. It means “people don’t recognize anymore that things were better before the young/poor/marginalized got uppity.” > > If we was properly edjumacated nobody would be a liberal. That charming time of lynchings and cross burnings. If only everyone could still be so nice. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/751 "2018-03-01T01:43:06Z")
Funny thing is that back in the days of **Starving Artist** ’s _grandparents_, marijuana and cocaine were probably legal. (Depending on how old they were) And yep, those suffragettes, they sure were so nice and polite. Especially in [Britain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Social_and_Political_Union). Nobody ever did anything controversial or [shocking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Davison) over there. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/752 "2018-03-01T02:18:48Z")
Well, we built an awesome interstate highway system and our space program put a man on the moon. And the welfare expansions in the 1960’s lifted multitudes of people, mostly people of color, out of abject poverty. This was the era of American Exceptionalism. And the top marginal tax rate was 91%. And the whole “decline of America” that SA perceives tracks with the decline of the personal income tax rate. Now, don’t get me wrong, I much prefer today’s world — because I’m kind of a hippie. I just wanted to remind everyone that there’s one thing about the 50’s and 60’s that the conservatives disavow. But these tax rates made a superior infrastructure and strong middle class possible. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/753 "2018-03-01T02:43:02Z")
No matter what else, he will always be the person who accused MrDibble of fabricating the rape that happened to him. Not a hypothetical scenario, but an actual member here who has shared some pretty horrific experiences with us. And he threw it back at him. To me that says everything about someone’s character. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/754 "2018-03-01T02:44:50Z")
Lord, I hate to add to the SA Show, but I would like to point out that he has been hateful and gross since (well before) I joined the board. Here in this thread he is going after a rape victim, calling him a liar, and in other threads, he has tried to pretend that rape was super rare in his believed 50s because women knew how to handle men who got handsy, and the men respected that (or some shite). That’s all aside from his notorious thought experiments regarding child rape. At this point, I believe the senile old man is merely trolling, especially since he says that people IRL find him to be pleasant and even somewhat liberal in politics. Here, he is nasty and liberals are evil. So - representing his true views? oh, no. Not to mention his objections to be referred to as old, then suddenly reversing it and accepting the description. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/755 "2018-03-01T02:47:06Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > No matter what else, he will always be the person who accused MrDibble of fabricating the rape that happened to him. Not a hypothetical scenario, but an actual member here who has shared some pretty horrific experiences with us. And he threw it back at him. To me that says everything about someone’s character. It truly does. If he were banned right now, I would be exceptionally happy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/756 "2018-03-01T03:05:45Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > No matter what else, he will always be the person who accused MrDibble of fabricating the rape that happened to him. Not a hypothetical scenario, but an actual member here who has shared some pretty horrific experiences with us. And he threw it back at him. To me that says everything about someone’s character. IIRC, I didn’t claim he lied about having been raped, only that in light of his having lied about my having posted racist comments of a sort I’ve never made or even thought in my life, his credibility is shot and there’s simply no way to know. More when time permits. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/757 "2018-03-01T03:11:53Z")
Nope. That you think this explanation makes anything better is just sad. Seriously, don’t bother on my account. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/758 "2018-03-01T03:15:19Z")
I was going more for accuracy, but whatever floats your boat ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/759 "2018-03-01T03:20:06Z")
You wouldn’t know “accuracy” if it crawled up your ass and slithered out your throat. He’s like Dio – if he didn’t experience it, it never happened. Nothing outside of his scope, or his life ever happened. Nobody else’s experiences, or knowledge count. He is the ultimate authority. No matter how many times he’s been contradicted. Dopers, their families, their friends – none of it matters. If it conflicts with his view of how the Fifties were the the Greatest Time in History, and Everything Went to Hell in the Sixties, then it’s wrong. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/760 "2018-03-01T03:48:40Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Not to mention his objections to be referred to as old, then suddenly reversing it and accepting the description. Once he finally figured out that seeming touchy about his age wasn’t a good look and was inviting mockery: > [@RickJay](#): > > You’re old, bigoted, and stupid, and two of those things are not your fault […] > [@Starving Artist](#): > > No, actually I’m not all that old and am almost always thought by people who know me personally to be much younger than I am […] > [@Kimstu](#): > > You were claiming to be 61 a little over eight years ago, which makes you at least 69 now. In other words, yes, you are old. Which in itself, of course, is nothing to be ashamed of, so you needn’t try to duck the label when somebody calls you old. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Born in '48 (and no, 69 is not that old) […] > [@John Stamos' Left Ear](#): > > The age to retire with full benefits from Social Security is 66. Average lifespan in America is 78. Sorry, but when your age is located between retired and dead, you’re old. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Well, I’m not retired and I’m not dead so I’m afraid the jury’s still out on that little proclamation. Besides, 60 is the new 40, if you haven’t heard, which makes me barely 46. And four years ago when I had the time for it, I was bicycling 15 - 35 miles a day and did a 100 mile charity ride four summers ago on a 42 lb. hybrid bike - the kind you sit up straight to ride - with hills and wind to contend with the whole time too. I still do an hour a day on an exercise bike. > > Not bad for a 46-year-old, huh? 😉 > [@Kimstu](#): > > Nothing makes an old person look older than obstinately protesting, “grizzly kitten” style, that they’re not really old at all. > > Of course it’s perfectly possible (and commendable) to be old and still physically fit, or old and still working. But that doesn’t make you not old. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > As that wise old sage and philosopher Hugh Hefner once observed, until it begins to impair you physically, age is just a state of mind. […] And besides, what’s all this ageist bigotry about my age? […] > [@raventhief](#): > > You discounted the very real experience of the survivors of Parkland based on age. You are hardly one to complain about age discrimination. […] > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Nah, I’ve gotten shit about my age on this board since the first day I revealed it. […] > [@Kimstu](#): > > Nobody except you is being bigoted about your age: as I noted back in post #376, being old is nothing to be ashamed of. > > You’re the one who’s acting as though there’s something insulting about using the word “old” to describe somebody a scant year away from threescore and ten. If anyone’s being ageist about this, it’s you. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > No one is being bigoted about my age? Bullshit! It’s the very centerpiece of everyone’s attacks on me […] > [@Knowed Out](#): > > SA: We’re not criticizing your age. Most Dopers are over 50. We’re criticizing your dated concepts and limited scope. […] > [@Superdude](#): > > […] But someone’s feisty tonight. Extra Geritol at dinner? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’m feisty all the time, homes. And ain’t no Geritol for me. No Viagra either. […] > [@Knowed Out](#): > > So you just want online fights all the time? Because you’re “feisty?” btw, go back to using “whippersnapper” instead of “homes.” You can’t pull it off. It’s embarrassing to witness 69-year olds talking street. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Hmm…more ageism. […] > > Anyway, you’d be surprised. They call me J-Dawg and Jimbo Slice at the local 7-11. […] > [@Kimstu](#): > > […] Not all of us are as oversensitive and insecure about our advancing years as you seem to be. […] > [@Starving Artist](#): > > And if you guys think you’re bugging me with all this old guy talk, just remember I’m a conservative, and therefore a realist. In other words, things are what they are. My age is what it is and I spend zero hours lamenting that fact […] I’m an optimist and am aware that many people don’t get to live as long as I have, and that many who have, haven’t been able to enjoy the same health and activity level that I have. In brief, he complained about being called old and spent several posts assuring us of his youthful appearance and fitness (including his status vis-a-vis erectile dysfunction medication, which again rates a resounding “eewwwwww” on the TMI scale). And then suddenly he changed tack to being a self-described “realist” who’s achieved serene acceptance of growing old (although of course he still has to remind us how youthful and fit he is), so being called old doesn’t bother him at all. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=39)