# The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of school children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854 "2018-02-15T02:32:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/761 "2018-03-01T04:24:37Z")
Since the thread has long since jumped the tracks and plunged into a canyon, could I gently suggest that everyone stop trying to hammer sense and logic into **SA** ’s neutronium skull and just walk away? Yeah, might as well tell the tide to stop a rollin’, I know. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/762 "2018-03-01T06:00:20Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: Interesting selective quoting there on your part, **Starving Artist**. It’s a lot easier to claim that someone else is lying about you when you deliberately omit the part where he acknowledges that his description is a paraphrase rather than a literal representation of your remarks. I omitted the paraphrase bit because it was redundant. He lied. Nothing I’ve ever said can remotely be paraphrased as saying Negroes are more uppity in the 50s. Even the quotes you went digging for and posted as if they did. If anything, they are complaining that black people haven’t been uppity enough in taking their place as equals in society. I’m well used to you putting dishonest and idiotic spin on things I say around here but I actually laughed when I saw what you posted. The entire point o f those comments was to say that black people can now work where they want, live where they want, shop where they want, whatever. So there’s no reason anymore to continue to maintain certain behaviors designed to set them apart as a separate culture because those behaviors inhibit or block their ability to earn and participate fully in the mainstream, which is supposed to be what eliminating racism was all about, remember? > [@Kimstu](#): > > And as a matter of fact,“complaining how today’s Negros are more uppity than back in the 50s” is not really inaccurate or unfair as a sarcastic paraphrase of some of the things you’ve said about the “attitudes” of American blacks. Um, yes it is, and ludicrously so. > [@Kimstu](#): > > And mind you, that was in a thread that was trying to explore the persistence of racial disparity and discrimination in the criminal justice system, based on some pretty specific statistical analysis. Nonetheless, you kept on trying to insist that the fundamental problem is really black people’s “self-segregation” and “resentment” and “attitudes” that are “holding them back” from “joining the rest of society”. That’s right. It was more of an exhortation to stop holding back and join in with the rest of society, as I explained just above. In the non-Bizzaro world of non-liberalism this would be considered an inclusive attitude. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Of course you didn’t literally use the exact words _“today’s Negros are more uppity”_, and of course **MrDibble** never claimed that you did. But that phrase isn’t actually a bad description of the patronizing, scolding tone of your remarks about black “attitudes”. Yes, it is. And it still will be no matter how many times you say this. > [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: Hmmm. Deliberately obfuscating another poster’s explicitly acknowledged paraphrase, so you can try to present it instead as an outright lie, so you can use that as an excuse to try to discredit everything else the poster says, even including his long-ago allusions to his experiences as a victim of child molestation. I obfuscated nothing, as I explained above. And when people lie, as he did twice with his ‘uppity Negroes’ comment and by calling me a ‘pedophile’, they lose credibility. > [@Kimstu](#): > > No. That is not something a that a truly “nice and likable” person would do. When confronted with this kind of bullshit, it is. > [@Kimstu](#): > > People who are genuinely nice and likable don’t keep a private corner of internet anonymity as their personal spite-and-anger playground where they heap blame on everybody else for their own unpleasant behavior. Not even if they protest at the same time that they would never behave so unpleasantly anywhere else. I’m afraid I’ll have to see your credentials as a psychiatrist of at least some accomplishment before I take seriously any pronouncement you make about what actions certain kinds of people would never engage in. And remember too that I tried the nice and reasonable guy routine when I first got here and still came in for pretty much the same abuse as I get now. So as I said before, if you people don’t like the way I post, it’s your own disingenuous, duplicitous, dishonest, intolerant, close-minded and hateful fault. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/763 "2018-03-01T06:09:40Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Since the thread has long since jumped the tracks and plunged into a canyon, could I gently suggest that everyone stop trying to hammer sense and logic into **SA** ’s neutronium skull and just walk away? Sense and logic? You mean like when someone reads the very words I’ve written in black and white and then states that I accused **Dribble** of lying about having been raped when what I really said was that his blatant lie has rendered his story questionable, and then when I point out the error they say it makes no difference? That kind of sense and logic? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/764 "2018-03-01T06:15:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Okay, now I get to call you a liar. You. are. a. liar! A lying liar who lies! Nope. [Here’s a handy compendium](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17947707&postcount=105) of you saying Blacks should have gone about getting their rights more slowly, thanks to **Hentor**. Like I said, it’s a \*paraphrase \*(you do remember there’s such a thing as a dictionary you can look up words that slip your shuddery mental recall, right, Pops?), but your actual wording also leaves us with such absolute gems as “Life was segregated **but otherwise pretty much normal** ” > [@](#): > > And congratulations! Now I have cause to suspect the validity of your rape claim as well. So, you now admit you _didn’t_ have cause when you called me a liar before? > [@](#): > > For all I know you made it up out of whole cloth because you thought would be a sure-fire way to undercut my argument Sure, that’s why I first posted about it years before (2006, to be specific) I presciently knew you were going to be defending paedophiles, years later. > [@](#): > > See, here’s the thing when one is shown to be a liar - everything they say or have said becomes suspect. Well, that’s certainly true, liar. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/765 "2018-03-01T06:21:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nothing I’ve ever said can remotely be paraphrased as saying Negroes are more uppity in the 50s. Left out a “than”, did you? > [@](#): > > If anything, they are complaining that black people haven’t been uppity enough in taking their place as equals in society. There’s _no way_ what you posted could be construed that way: " I believe they would have preferred, as would I, to have things done in a more sensible, step-by-step manner that would have left the things that were good about that era intact." > [@](#): > > And when people lie, as he did twice with his ‘uppity Negroes’ comment and by calling me a ‘pedophile’, they lose credibility. Refresh my memory (seems oldmanitis might be contagious), where did\* I \*call you a paedophile? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/766 "2018-03-01T07:10:16Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Nope. [Here’s a handy compendium](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17947707&postcount=105) of you saying Blacks should have gone about getting their rights more slowly, thanks to **Hentor**. Yeah, **Hector’s** been on about that ever since I wrote it and he loves to mischaracterize it as an anti-black glurge but the reality is the opposite. > [@MrDibble](#): > > So, you now admit you didn’t have cause when you called me a liar before? Cute. What I thought before was that the rape happened but you might have been mistaken as to some of the details. Now, because I’ve discovered your propensity to lie I have no idea whether it happened at all. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Left out a “than”, did you? Yes. > [@MrDibble](#): > > There’s no way what you posted could be construed that way: > " I believe they would have preferred, as would I, to have things done in a more sensible, step-by-step manner that would have left the things that were good about that era intact." I don’t know why not. I know that if I were a black parent I’d much rather raise my kids in the '50s or '60s where drugs and their associated crime were far less prevalent, criminal culture wasn’t glamorized, and they probably wouldn’t get shot for their shoes or rims. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Refresh my memory (seems oldmanitis might be contagious), where did I call you a paedophile? Looks like my mistake. The word ‘paedophile’ shows up so often in your posts due to the fact that you’re so fond of falsely accusing me of being a paedophile (your spelling, see how polite I am?) defender that it seems like you’ve been calling me one even though in reality you haven’t. For that and that alone I will apologize. Not that you’re worthy of it, of course, it’s just the right thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/767 "2018-03-01T07:28:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, **Hector’s** been on about that ever since I wrote it and he loves to mischaracterize it as an anti-black glurge but the reality is the opposite. Anyone is welcome to read it an make up their own minds. But it certainly does back up what I said. > [@](#): > > Cute. What I thought before was that the rape happened but you might have been mistaken as to some of the details. Now, because I’ve discovered your propensity to lie I have no idea whether it happened at all. I notice you blithely have dropped the suggestion that I made it up just for the Paterno thread, when I’ve shown was not the case. Though I wouldn’t notice how you skipped that retraction, mmmm? We’re not all as crappy at noticing things as you, geezer. So now it’s just a general lie that I’ve been making since 2006, is it? Because I’m generally just a liar? Is _that_ your stance? > [@](#): > > I don’t know why not. I know that if I were a black parent I’d much rather raise my kids in the '50s or '60s where drugs and their associated crime were far less prevalent, criminal culture wasn’t glamorized, and they probably wouldn’t get shot for their shoes or rims. Naah, they’d just get lynched for so much as looking at a white girl, or shot for asking for their rights to be enforced. Thank Hastur you’re not a black parent. I’m deeply sorry for the victims if you’re anyone’s parent, quite frankly. > [@](#): > > Looks like my mistake. The word ‘paedophile’ shows up so often in your posts due to the fact that you’re so fond of falsely accusing me of being a paedophile (your spelling, see how polite I am?) defender that it seems like you’ve been calling me one even though in reality you haven’t. For that and that alone I will apologize. Not that you’re worthy of it, of course, it’s just the right thing to do. I didn’t ask for an apology, old man. Just pointing out how senile you clearly are. And there’s nothing false about you being a paedophile defender. The threads speak for themselves. But I don’t expect a known naked boy shower-hugging _aficionado_ like you to even know what paedophilia is, so your confusion is understandable. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/768 "2018-03-01T07:55:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Though I wouldn’t notice how you skipped that retraction, mmmm? “_Thought_ I wouldn’t”, dammnit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/769 "2018-03-01T07:55:44Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I notice you blithely have dropped the suggestion that I made it up just for the Paterno thread… Hahaha, why should I have brought it up? Obviously, in the event you were lying, you would have just made it up for the Paterno thread. If you weren’t lying, then you didn’t. Since there’s roughly a 50/50 chance either way and I’d already noted your motive in lying if you were, why would I bring it up a second time? You’re really reaching, **Dribble**. And now, this has been fun and all, but I’m beginning to get a little put off at how silly this all has become. I’m almost embarrassed to be here. In fact, I am embarrassed to be here. I think I’ll go hang out with some adults for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/770 "2018-03-01T08:09:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Cute. What I thought before was that the rape happened but you might have been mistaken as to some of the details. Now, because I’ve discovered your propensity to lie I have no idea whether it happened at all. You’re a real piece of shit, you know that? > [@](#): > > I don’t know why not. I know that if I were a black parent I’d much rather raise my kids in the '50s or '60s where drugs and their associated crime were far less prevalent, criminal culture wasn’t glamorized, and they probably wouldn’t get shot for their shoes or rims. Yeah, much better that they get [lynched](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till) for daring to talk to a white woman, amiright? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/771 "2018-03-01T08:25:36Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Since the thread has long since jumped the tracks and plunged into a canyon, could I gently suggest that everyone stop trying to hammer sense and logic into **SA** ’s neutronium skull and just walk away? > > Yeah, might as well tell the tide to stop a rollin’, I know. Hammering sense and logic into him? Nah, I’m just here for all the different ways people can call the **Starving “Artist”** a mental midget. He’s a joke, a caricature, a troll. He hasn’t said anything worth listening to in ages, and I’m only entertained by the witty rejoinders, with which The Dope never disappoints. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/772 "2018-03-01T09:23:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Hahaha, why should I have brought it up? You’re right, I mistook you for someone with a spine… > [@](#): > > Obviously, in the event you were lying, you would have just made it up for the Paterno thread. If you weren’t lying, then you didn’t. So, since I’ve been talking about it here since 2006, I _clearly_ didn’t make it up for the Paterno thread. So I wasn’t lying. By your own pretzel logic. “Obviously”. > [@](#): > > You’re really reaching One of us is, it’s not me. Better reaching than a reacharound, I suppose. _shudder_ > [@](#): > > In fact, I am embarrassed to be here. Oh, you should be. We’re embarrassed for you, too. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/773 "2018-03-01T10:18:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Hahaha, why should I have brought it up? Obviously, in the event you were lying, you would have just made it up for the Paterno thread. If you weren’t lying, then you didn’t. Since there’s roughly a 50/50 chance either way and I’d already noted your motive in lying if you were, why would I bring it up a second time? You’re really reaching, **Dribble**. > > And now, this has been fun and all, but I’m beginning to get a little put off at how silly this all has become. I’m almost embarrassed to be here. In fact, I am embarrassed to be here. I think I’ll go hang out with some adults for a while. He first brought it up 12 years ago. Ready to apologize? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/774 "2018-03-01T10:26:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > They do once the alleged rape victim has revealed himself to be a liar. > > I’m having a very hard time believing you’re really this obtuse. > > And now I’m out for the night. **Ta**. More like, 'tard. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/775 "2018-03-01T13:15:27Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Since the thread has long since jumped the tracks and plunged into a canyon, could I gently suggest that everyone stop trying to hammer sense and logic into **SA** ’s neutronium skull and just walk away? > > Yeah, might as well tell the tide to stop a rollin’, I know. I wrote the following 13(!?!) years ago. You could swap out “anti-war” for any subject: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5732341&postcount=265:](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5732341&postcount=265:) > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > It’s not my intention to dissuade anyone from attempting the impossible with Starving Artist, but I do have to say that I admire all the anti-war folks who are optimistic enough to hope for any sort of rational thought from him. The OP used a fairly strong word, and he showed up to serve as an exemplar. > > I don’t much care if it is blind faith, complete ignorance, insanity, or Tom Trollery - although I think he’s a fucking moron - you’ll not make headway. How many similar words do you think he has sloughed off his downy back to this point? How many times has he reified his own in the echo chamber that is his skull? How much does he openly have to assert that facts are but liberal playthings that pale in comparison to the rock solid optimism he possesses? But if you are enjoying yourselves, I wish you Godspeed! Good luck! He brings nothing of value to any discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/776 "2018-03-01T13:26:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And now, this has been fun and all, but I’m beginning to get a little put off at how silly this all has become. I’m almost embarrassed to be here. In fact, I am embarrassed to be here. I think I’ll go hang out with some adults for a while. Like the tattoo girl? She thinks you have that “old man” smell. She thinks it’s funny when you forget to pull up your bike shorts and everybody can see your geriatric plumber’s crack. You may as well give up on redefining rape victim testimony. We liberals have been coaching girls and potentially homosexual boys on how to dislodge white men from power since the 60’s. Nothing gets attention like accusations of rape. Don’t worry, your turn is coming next. It’s only a matter of time. PRAISE SOROS! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/777 "2018-03-01T13:29:11Z")
Soros! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/778 "2018-03-01T15:11:35Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Hammering sense and logic into him? Nah, I’m just here for all the different ways people can call the **Starving “Artist”** a mental midget. He’s a joke, a caricature, a troll. He hasn’t said anything worth listening to in ages, and I’m only entertained by the witty rejoinders, with which The Dope never disappoints. Yeh, I knew it was hopeless, but thought I’d give it a shot anyway. Let the scab-picking continue. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/779 "2018-03-01T15:36:33Z")
This thread isn’t supposed to be about SA’s rape defense, nor his desire to return the world to institutionalized racism, not even his creepy infatuation with his underage neighbor’s sex lives or anything disgusting or unsocial like that. It is supposed to be about dead school children. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854/780 "2018-03-01T16:14:49Z")
Someone mentioned “children”. He came running. Happens every time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tree-of-liberty-needs-to-be-watered-with-the-blood-of-school-children/808854.md?page=40)