# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 119
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2372 "2020-08-15T23:15:32Z")
And they will refuse the subpeona because its in contradiction of their NDA, and then they will be taken to court which will say that their argument is ludicrous, and then they will appeal that decision to a court that also finds their argument ludicrous but they will keep appealing until they find a court with enough Trump appointees to find in their favor or more likely run out the clock. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2373 "2020-08-15T23:21:37Z")
That’s why the straighforward matter of the [Terry Schiavo case](https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/michael-hobbes/youre-wrong-about/e/59224985) went on so long. ---
**Author:** ![rboyce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rboyce/32/4066_2.png) [@rboyce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rboyce)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2374 "2020-08-15T23:32:51Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > For what it’s worth, the name of the song is “For What It’s Worth”, by Buffalo Springfield. [Post edited by moderator to remove link] ---
**Author:** ![rboyce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rboyce/32/4066_2.png) [@rboyce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rboyce)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2375 "2020-08-15T23:40:23Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > “For What It’s Worth”, by Buffalo Springfield. **[“For What It’s Worth”, by Buffalo Springfield. - Google Search](https://tinyurl.com/y4l4owtu)** ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2376 "2020-08-16T00:30:55Z")
> [@rboyce](#): > > > [@SingleMalt](#): > > > > For what it’s worth, the name of the song is “For What It’s Worth”, by Buffalo Springfield. > > [Post edited by moderator to remove link] **rboyce** , this is the second time you have linked to this song with a download link, and I’ve had to edit it out. Do not do this again. You can link to the song without making it a download (as you have). ---
**Author:** ![rboyce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rboyce/32/4066_2.png) [@rboyce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rboyce)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2377 "2020-08-16T00:41:09Z")
I didn’t think the first time worked so I re-posted it. I will go back and see if I can delete the song. Thanks to reminding me wish you and your a great day and beyond ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2379 "2020-08-16T00:51:16Z")
**rboyce** Was this intended to be a reply somewhere else? A mod might be able to move it for you. ---
**Author:** ![rboyce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rboyce/32/4066_2.png) [@rboyce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rboyce)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2380 "2020-08-16T00:57:01Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > Was this intended to be a reply somewhere else? > > A mod might be able to move it for you. Yes, I intended to post this under the COVID discussion. I believe the truth about **hydroxychloroquine** should be told. Having said that, at over 70 I’m loosing my focus. Please move it or delete it. The choice ids yours to make ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2381 "2020-08-16T01:04:44Z")
I think it’s relevant here as well, as Trump has been known to publicly proclaim the benefits of this stuff. Turns out it puts your heart out of rhythm and leads to all the fun stuff that follows such as heart attacks, strokes and death? Well, let’s hope Trump is actually taking hydroxychloroquine… you know, for his health. ---
**Author:** ![rboyce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rboyce/32/4066_2.png) [@rboyce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rboyce)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2382 "2020-08-16T01:05:18Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You know, Obama should have demanded loyalty from his people the way Individual-ONE does The Senate turned against Obama and he could do nothing about it. such is life ---
**Author:** ![rboyce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rboyce/32/4066_2.png) [@rboyce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rboyce)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2383 "2020-08-16T01:06:23Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Well, let’s hope Trump is actually taking hydroxychloroquine… you know, for his health. All I can say in reply is Amen ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2384 "2020-08-16T01:18:49Z")
> [@rboyce](#): > > Yes, I intended to post this under the COVID discussion. I believe the truth about **hydroxychloroquine** should be told. Having said that, at over 70 I’m loosing my focus. > Please move it or delete it. > The choice ids yours to make Heck, I didn’t mean to imply I was a mod-just offered a tip of what I’d seen other posters asking for when similar posting in error happened. BTW, I am 70 also and recognized it because it is what I inadvertently do all the time. I’m tech daft, but trying to fight my ignorance. It is taking longer than I thought. In fellowship, with regards ---
**Author:** ![rboyce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rboyce/32/4066_2.png) [@rboyce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rboyce)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2385 "2020-08-16T01:25:54Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > In fellowship, with regards may the lord be with you and yours for all time to come ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2386 "2020-08-16T02:05:58Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > And Genovese too. That’s probably an apt analogy. And it may be a key to how this unravels. A lot of the people in the Trump administration know they face possible criminal charges. But they also know that the ones who switch sides early and testify against the others will escape punishment and be able to sign lucrative book deals. In a normal corrupt administration, they could at least count on the protection of a pardon. But Trump is notorious for his lack of loyalty and his unwillingness to follow through on promises. He might end up pardoning himself and his family and leave everyone else out in the cold. Sp right now, I’m sure there are White House staffers eyeing each other and wondering who will break and how soon. And trying to figure out when’s the best time to seek their own deal. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2387 "2020-08-16T02:15:55Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Like you said, Trump’s too dumb and entitled not to think that other people would be handing him a dictatorship because he deserves it. > > We’ll see Emperor Donald and Regent McConnell, if it comes to that. I was discussing fascism in another thread. I don’t think Trump has it in him to be a fascist dictator. If you read biographies of people like Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, and Mao you understand how hard they worked at being a dictator. Trump may have the moral values of a dictator but he doesn’t have the drive. You can’t be a dictator and spend two hours a day watching TV. But Trump could end up turning America into a fascist dictatorship. I don’t find it realistic that Trump could become a dictator. But if he gets re-elected, he’s going to drive the country even further downhill in the next four years. And I find it plausible that some time in the next four years, we’ll see somebody saying we need to save the country from Trump by taking over control. And it’s that person who might become America’s dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2388 "2020-08-16T02:35:25Z")
After more than a year as “acting” director: > **[Trump to withdraw Pendley's nomination as public lands chief](https://apnews.com/232ac345ea615241dba39136c2993d6b)** > > SEATTLE (AP) — President Donald Trump intends to withdraw the nomination of William Perry Pendley to head the Bureau of Land Management, a senior administration official said Saturday — much to the relief of environmentalists who insisted the... ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2389 "2020-08-16T02:53:09Z")
Great news! But I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2390 "2020-08-16T03:10:22Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But they also know that the ones who switch sides early and testify against the others will escape punishment and be able to sign lucrative book deals. The person that I see pleading guilty right now is someone involved in the Russian investigation, who is indicated as being willing to testify against others. What crimes can he implicate in the Obama/Biden administrations? > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But Trump could end up turning America into a fascist dictatorship. I don’t find it realistic that Trump could become a dictator. But if he gets re-elected, he’s going to drive the country even further downhill in the next four years. And I find it plausible that some time in the next four years, we’ll see somebody saying we need to save the country from Trump by taking over control. And it’s that person who might become America’s dictator. Motives and opportunities are different things, and do not often coincide as well as they have for Trump, pretty much his entire life. Anything he has wanted, he has gotten. He wants this, he expects this. If he were the used car salesman that he should be, his desires to exert control over everything would come to naught. He’s not a genius breaking out of the escape room, he’s a slime mold oozing through the cracks. He’s dangerous, hard to contain, and corrupts everything he touches. I do worry that McConnell et al are setting up an authoritarian system for their own use, but I worry even more that they will not be able to contain the monster that they create. One is dystopia, the other is Armageddon. My preference, of course, is that we have free and fair elections and elect rational individuals who will put the future of our country and world ahead of their own short sighted interests, and we call the last few years a bit of interesting history. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2391 "2020-08-16T04:17:09Z")
I wonder if his brother was taking it, at $45’s urging. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/2392 "2020-08-16T05:22:13Z")
So… Why did Trump have his brother croaked? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=118) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=120)