# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/223 "2020-06-26T18:49:29Z")
Bingo. He never expected to win. He wanted to lose and start the anti-Hillary network that would rival FOX. He’s pissed that his stupid show got canceled. That’s how this entire mess started. He. Must. Have. Attention. Like a 5 year old brat. Now that he’s Pres, he has found that he can rape the USA. BUT now he’s under a microscope. The only way to help with some of his legal problems is to remain president and let some statutes of limitations expire. No doubt Barr is counseling him on some of this, and he has his own agenda as well. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/224 "2020-06-26T18:59:29Z")
Here’s some good news. > **[Poll: Trump Disapproval Hits All-Time High And He Trails Biden By 8](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/26/883336183/poll-trump-disapproval-hits-all-time-high-and-he-trails-biden-by-8?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news)** > > Just 40% of Americans approve of the job President Trump is doing and 58% disapprove, an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll finds. Former Vice President Joe Biden is leading in a general election matchup. Of course, NPR only puts out fake news, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/226 "2020-06-26T19:03:45Z")
He will sue NPR for that poll, just like CNN 🤣. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/227 "2020-06-26T19:07:44Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > … Now that he’s Pres, he has found that he can rape the USA. BUT now he’s under a microscope.… Wel, of course he is. I mean, how else do expect us to, uh, see … nevermind ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/228 "2020-06-26T19:22:19Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I am starting to wonder if Trump is trying to lose. I am sure he would rather go back to his old life, the only reason he would not want to lose is because of his ego. But he can blame it on fraud and fake news which undermined him. Then he can be an “expert” commentator on Fox and hold rallies all over the country. No, I think Trump is going to hate being an ex-President. His need for attention is a bottomless pit. Right now, he’s the most famous person on Earth and it’s barely enough to satisfy him. But he’s gotten used to this level of attention. In a year (or five) when he has to go back to being just another famous person, it will no longer be enough for him. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/229 "2020-06-26T19:29:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Bingo. He never expected to win. He wanted to lose and start the anti-Hillary network that would rival FOX. He’s pissed that his stupid show got canceled. That’s how this entire mess started. > > He. Must. Have. Attention. Like a 5 year old brat. > > Now that he’s Pres, he has found that he can rape the USA. BUT now he’s under a microscope. The only way to help with some of his legal problems is to remain president and let some statutes of limitations expire. No doubt Barr is counseling him on some of this, and he has his own agenda as well. I think you’re crediting him with too much planning ability. I think the core issue is what you noted; Trump needs to have attention. He wasn’t planning on losing the 2016 election. And he wasn’t planning on winning it either. He was just running for President because that gave him attention and he had no thoughts about what would happen next and what he would do if he won or if he lost. He treats his presidency the same way. There’s no plan for what happens next. He just says whatever gives him the most attention today. He makes no plans for the future. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/230 "2020-06-26T19:31:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > He treats his presidency the same way. There’s no plan for what happens next. He just says whatever gives him the most attention today. He makes no plans for the future. He has actually SAID this, namely, that he never plans anything. He just shoots from the hip in every case at all times. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/231 "2020-06-26T19:44:08Z")
ACA? What’s that? I remember seeing a comment somewhere by someone who was against Obamacare and thought it should be repealed. He was going to be fine with that, he said, because he had coverage through the ACA. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/232 "2020-06-26T19:48:47Z")
That was one of those real fart smellers. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/233 "2020-06-26T19:50:50Z")
Just like if women don’t take pregnancy tests, they don’t get pregnant. Also, seen on FaceBook, Trump hasn’t gained any weight since he stopped stepping on the scale. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/234 "2020-06-26T19:59:04Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Was it really necessary to use that particular term? > > At this point, you know the board has had issues with misogyny, so this comes across rather poorly, regardless of how terrible the person in question is. > [@asahi](#): > > If my understanding of UK English is correct, the ‘c’ word is not really considered any worse than “bitch” in the UK or Australia. We refer to men as “pricks,” so I don’t see why that reference should necessarily be any worse than bytch for females. I don’t think merely using the word makes one misogynistic. While the “c” word isn’t particularly unusually offensive in the UK or Australia it IS considered especially offensive in the US. Given that this forum is US-based with a high percentage of US posters perhaps refraining from it’s use is a good idea. It should appear seldom, IMO. On the other hand, it is a word I would use to describe the person it was directed to in the possibly-offending post, so I might be guilty of a bit of hypocrisy here. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/235 "2020-06-26T20:12:08Z")
Well I’m certainly not going to advocate using the word. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/236 "2020-06-26T20:22:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, I think Trump is going to hate being an ex-President. His need for attention is a bottomless pit. Right now, he’s the most famous person on Earth and it’s barely enough to satisfy him. But he’s gotten used to this level of attention. In a year (or five) when he has to go back to being just another famous person, it will no longer be enough for him. It’s even worse than that: he’ll never go back to the way things were. None of those celebrities he used to rub elbows with - the only people he ever _really_ cared about - will be coming back to his parties. He’s dead to New York, and to the west coast, too. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/237 "2020-06-26T20:31:42Z")
Appeals court rules Trump wrongly diverted $2.5 billion for border wall > **[Appeals court rules Trump wrongly diverted $2.5 billion for border wall](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/appeals-court-rules-trump-wrongly-diverted-2point5-billion-for-border-wall.html)** > > A federal appeals court on Friday ruled against the Trump administration in its transfer of $2.5 billion from military construction projects to build sections of the U.S. border wall with Mexico, ruling it illegally sidestepped Congress, which gets... ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/238 "2020-06-26T20:54:42Z")
The 9th Circuit is Trump’s favorite punching bag, right? The one that’s full of pinko hippie liberals? ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/239 "2020-06-26T21:17:45Z")
That ruling probably won’t stand long. Trump has Kavanaugh on speed dial. Plus what’s the remedy? It’s already been done. I’d like to see Trump punished, fined, and stopped, but that won’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/240 "2020-06-26T21:23:00Z")
For those who argue there is no connection between Trump and Russia… tell me, what exactly is the debate here? > **[Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops,...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html)** > > The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/241 "2020-06-26T21:37:29Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Just like if women don’t take pregnancy tests, they don’t get pregnant. The sad reality is that stopping testing will work, as far as Trump and his supporters are concerned. If a woman is pregnant and she doesn’t take a pregnancy test, the truth will eventually come out in the form of a small human being. But there’s no equivalent reality check for Covid19 testing. Let’s say we’re doing testing and finding that 100,000 people are contracting Covid19 each month and 2000 of these people are dying. Now let’s say we stop testing for Covid19. How many people contracted Covid19 this month? Nobody knows. And if nobody knows, you can claim it’s zero. How many people died of Covid19 this month? Again nobody knows. Some people died but people die for lots of reasons. If we didn’t do any tests, nobody can prove they died of Covid19. If you want to claim that Covid19 disappeared, nobody can prove you’re wrong. Eliminating testing will almost certainly raise the actual numbers. We’ll have 200,000 people contracted the disease each month and 5000 of them dying each month. But the provable numbers will drop to zero. So right now, there are people in the Trump administration who are asking _“Which is worse? A big problem that we’re getting blamed for? Or a bigger problem that we can pretend doesn’t exist?”_ And I think we all know what answer they’re going to have. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/242 "2020-06-26T21:50:10Z")
He clearly doesn’t want the attention of SDNY though. But that’s pretty much been his ‘business’ model his entire life. Sue, and sue again until it goes away. He can’t do that now that he’s the Pres. His only escape from some of this is to out run the statute of limitations on stuff. Although the stupid idiot continues criminal behavior. He can’t help it because that’s all he knows. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/243 "2020-06-26T21:55:52Z")
> **[Trump Can’t Bluff His Way Out of This](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/trumps-denial-didnt-make-the-coronavirus-go-away/613573/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%2BTheAtlantic%2B%28The%2BAtlantic%2B-%2BMaster%2BFeed%29)** > > The president approached the pandemic as he’s approached so many other challenges. This time, his failures have proved catastrophic. Wanna bet? From that link: > [@](#): > > …But the president stubbornly refuses to acknowledge reality, continuing to act as though he can bluff his way through a pandemic—long after the pandemic has called his bluff, collected his chips, and cashed them in. > … > The president believed he could bluff the virus into submission, the way he’s successfully bluffed many political opponents before. The terrible numbers on infections and hospitalizations show that it didn’t work. Even though that gambit failed, the president is trying to bluff voters into believing he’s done a great job handling the outbreak. The poll numbers suggest that they’re not buying it either. He’s going to keep on trying and getting in deeper and deeper. This may take some of you older Dopers back to 1967 memories of Peet Seeger’s [“Waist Deep in the Big Muddy”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist_Deep_in_the_Big_Muddy) in reference to Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam. > [@](#): > > … The song was considered symbolic of the [Vietnam War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War) and [President](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) [Lyndon Johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Johnson)’s policy of [escalation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_escalation), then widely seen as pushing the [United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) deeper into the increasingly unpopular war. Like the Captain’s demise, Johnson was eventually forced to abandon plans for re-election due to the war in 1968. The captain’s criticism of a dissenting sergeant as a “Nervous Nelly” in the song’s third verse appears to mimick Johnson’s epithet for critics of the war.[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist_Deep_in_the_Big_Muddy#cite_note-1) Seeger often performed the song at concerts and rallies > … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=13)