# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 155
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3098 "2020-09-03T12:59:51Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Finally even if we do catch all of the people are we really going to send thousands of people to jail just because they were stupid enough to believe the president? Why not? We’ve sent thousands of people to jail over the years for failure to pay parking tickets, possessing minuscule amounts of marijuana, being homeless, etc., etc. The difference is they weren’t white, middle-class suburban people. See, this is an ongoing issue - you got people with a bit of power who have no problem holding down other groups, all the while having no clue that eventually the oppressive structures they build will one day come for them. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3099 "2020-09-03T13:23:58Z")
> [@](#): > > North Carolina > N.C. Gen. Stat. Ann. §163-275 > Prohibits voting twice in the same election. > Any person who shall, in connection with any primary, general or special election held in this State, do any of the acts or things declared in this section to be unlawful, shall be guilty of a Class I felony. It shall be unlawful: (7) For any person with intent to commit a fraud to register or vote at more than one precinct or more than one time, or **to induce another to do so,** in the same primary or election, or to vote illegally at any primary or election. Time to call the NC AG, my North Carolina peeps. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3100 "2020-09-03T14:20:30Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > If he sinks lower every day, and we still have 9 weeks to the election, I literally can’t imagine what kind of shit he will do and say in October. I keep hoping he’ll shit in his pants during one of the debates, he’ll even proudly announce it to the camera, and that will be that. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3101 "2020-09-03T14:31:33Z")
> > [@John\_DiFool](#): > > > > I keep hoping he’ll shit in his pants during one of the debates, he’ll even proudly announce it to the camera, and that will be that. You really think so? I think his base will be all “Man, trump really trolled the Libtards hard, shitting in his pants on live TV like that. I like him more than ever now!” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3102 "2020-09-03T14:38:53Z")
I think it more likely that he would immediately blame “The Socialist Democrat Party” for poisoning him. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3103 "2020-09-03T14:45:56Z")
“He didn’t shit his pants. That was a bad camera angle. The socialist fake-news media is making things up.” ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3104 "2020-09-03T14:52:15Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zilA3NibssI/hqdefault.jpg "I've just pissed in my pants..") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilA3NibssI) ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3105 "2020-09-03T15:06:09Z")
Heh, actually the reaction would probably proceed like the last 4 responses here: 1. “He didn’t shit his pants. That was a bad camera angle. The socialist fake-news media is making things up.” 2. “The Socialist Democrat Party” poisoned him. 3. Man, trump really trolled the Libtards hard, shitting in his pants on live TV like that. I like him more than ever now! 4. trump: I shit my pants, and nobody can do anything about it". ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3106 "2020-09-03T15:07:52Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > North Carolina > > N.C. Gen. Stat. Ann. §163-275 > > Prohibits voting twice in the same election. > > Any person who shall, in connection with any primary, general or special election held in this State, do any of the acts or things declared in this section to be unlawful, shall be guilty of a Class I felony. It shall be unlawful: (7) For any person with intent to commit a fraud to register or vote at more than one precinct or more than one time, or **to induce another to do so,** in the same primary or election, or to vote illegally at any primary or election. The Oxford Language Dictionary defines ‘induce’ as this: ‘succeed in persuading or influencing (someone) to do something.’ IANAL, but it seems to be that until somebody actually does vote twice, Drumpf hasn’t actually induced anybody to do so. Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3107 "2020-09-03T15:19:14Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > IANAL, but it seems to be that until somebody actually does vote twice, Drumpf hasn’t actually induced anybody to do so. _Attempted inducement_ then. > § 14-2.5. Punishment for attempt to commit a felony or misdemeanor. > Unless a different classification is expressly stated, an attempt to commit a misdemeanor or a felony is punishable under the next lower classification as the offense which the offender attempted to commit. An attempt to commit a Class A or Class B1 felony is a Class B2 felony, an attempt to commit a Class B2 felony is a Class C felony, an attempt to commit a Class I felony is a Class 1 misdemeanor, and an attempt to commit a Class 3 misdemeanor is a Class 3 misdemeanor. (1993, c. 538, s. 6; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 22, s. 11, c. 24, s. 14(b).) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3108 "2020-09-03T15:38:36Z")
OK, he’s guilty of “incitement to commit voter fraud”, or “conspiracy to vote twice”. Doesn’t matter. He’s guilty guilty guilty…lock him up. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3109 "2020-09-03T15:46:59Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > _Attempted inducement_ then. > > > § 14-2.5. Punishment for attempt to commit a felony or misdemeanor. > > Unless a different classification is expressly stated, an attempt to commit a misdemeanor or a felony is punishable under the next lower classification as the offense which the offender attempted to commit. An attempt to commit a Class A or Class B1 felony is a Class B2 felony, an attempt to commit a Class B2 felony is a Class C felony, an attempt to commit a Class I felony is a Class 1 misdemeanor, and an attempt to commit a Class 3 misdemeanor is a Class 3 misdemeanor. (1993, c. 538, s. 6; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 22, s. 11, c. 24, s. 14(b).) This works for me! > [@jsc1953](#): > > OK, he’s guilty of “incitement to commit voter fraud”, or “conspiracy to vote twice”. Doesn’t matter. He’s guilty guilty guilty…lock him up. I definitely agree! ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3110 "2020-09-03T16:08:54Z")
All it takes is _ **1** _ magat to try to vote twice to elevate the charge to a felony. Considering he got followers to poison themselves, I think it’s safe to assume someone will vote twice. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3111 "2020-09-03T16:20:39Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Also weak, with weak tiny hands. I suspect that is not the only weak, tiny thing about him. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3112 "2020-09-03T16:31:04Z")
What happens if someone does vote twice on purpose, as he requested? Yes, in a perfect world, they’d be arrested, but I’m sure instead they’d be heralded as a hero by the Justice Department. But what about their votes? Are they both invalidated? Is the first vote still counted? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3113 "2020-09-03T16:36:26Z")
This whole kerfuffle started the systems quality control portion of my brain to start whirring. How do election systems prevent this? Do they match voter names from in-person logs, with returned mail-in ballots? That would mean that all mail-in ballots are provisional until election day…what about states that count ballots as soon as they arrive? Do they have a way of backing out those ballots if an in-person match occurs? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3114 "2020-09-03T16:45:54Z")
Ironically, in 100% vote by mail states like Washington, it would be impossible to vote twice. You only get one ballot in the mail. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3115 "2020-09-03T17:18:11Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Safe from what? > > The violence that is happening is not happening in suburbia. People here in rural Appalachia(aka Trumpers) are terrified by the protests. Trump has convinced them that these rioters are coming here next. Irrational? Oh, hell yes, but it’s absolutely working. Because he’s saturating Fox and every other conservative media outlet with this message. Loudly & repeatedly. Meanwhile, Democrats are whispering on select outlets about their climate change plan. As the OP said Democrats need to speak up. Where are the ads showing flaming cities with overlays of Trump’s ‘making America great’ statements. Where are the ads explaining, simply and clearly, what no payroll tax means for social security. Ads showing piles of dead COVID patients. Trumpers are never going to change their minds based on facts or plans, Democrats need to show strength, not reason. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3116 "2020-09-03T17:24:34Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I keep hoping he’ll shit in his pants during one of the debates, he’ll even proudly announce it to the camera, and that will be that. > [@solost](#): > > You really think so? I think his base will be all “Man, trump really trolled the Libtards hard, shitting in his pants on live TV like that. I like him more than ever now!” > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > “He didn’t shit his pants. That was a bad camera angle. The socialist fake-news media is making things up.” There’s always [caganers](https://www.caganer.com/en/caganer-donald-trump-853/71)! [https://www.caganer.com/2828-large\_default/caganer-donald-trump.jpg](https://www.caganer.com/2828-large_default/caganer-donald-trump.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3117 "2020-09-03T17:30:58Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > Democrats need to show strength, not reason. Agreed. We need to be more brutal and direct. Also, there’s nothing wrong with a little fear-mongering. After all, most of us here on the SDMB fear a Trump 2nd term - for very good reasons. I see nothing wrong with taking a lower road and communicating those reasons to America in a more hard-hitting and brutal way. We’ve been reasonable and logical and accommodating and fair-minded. It’s clear that the high road is not going where it needs to go. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=154) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=156)