# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3118 "2020-09-03T17:34:57Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > As the OP said Democrats need to speak up. Where are the ads showing flaming cities with overlays of Trump’s ‘making America great’ statements. Where are the ads explaining, simply and clearly, what no payroll tax means for social security. Ads showing piles of dead COVID patients. Trumpers are never going to change their minds based on facts or plans, Democrats need to show strength, not reason. Well, strength AND reason. Not mutually exclusive. But great ad ideas. > [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > We’ve been reasonable and logical and accommodating and fair-minded. It’s clear that the high road is not going where it needs to go. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3119 "2020-09-03T17:38:29Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > Trumpers are never going to change their minds based on facts or plans, Democrats need to show strength, not reason. The real problem is is that the truth will never be as powerful as lies. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3120 "2020-09-03T18:08:46Z")
“A lie can run round the world before **the truth** has got its boots on.” - Terry Pratchett ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3121 "2020-09-03T18:20:12Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > “A lie can run round the world before **the truth** has got its boots on.” - Terry Pratchett Nothing against Pratchett, but that quote goes back to the 1800s: [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/](https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3122 "2020-09-03T18:36:37Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The real problem is is that the truth will never be as powerful as lies. I disagree. Truth generally beats lies. Because truth has a big advantage; reality is on its side. Look at Covid19. Trump lied and said it would not be a problem. And then Covid19 started killing thousands of people. Trump’s lie collapsed. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3123 "2020-09-03T18:37:06Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I keep hoping he’ll shit in his pants during one of the debates, he’ll even proudly announce it to the camera … There will be no need for that: we will see everyone in the room weeping uncontrollably from the smoke and stench of the burning shit. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3124 "2020-09-03T18:56:46Z")
Yeah, and I just got this email from my mother: > [@](#): > > looks like this whole thing has been blown out of logical proportion; like big surprise > > WITH versus OF covid. > > Those that died WITH versus those that died OF Truth beats lies for rational people who are capable of critical thinking and not motivated rationalization. We don’t have enough of those right now, I don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3125 "2020-09-03T20:28:35Z")
This is probably just a blip for now, but I don’t think this is over. Sooner or later, investors are going to be confronted with reality: there is no point investing in companies that aren’t making money - fake vaccine or not. > **[Stock market news live updates: Stocks walloped as September selling sets in;...](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-september-3-2020-221514074.html)** > > Stocks dropped Thursday, as Wall Street gave back gains after capping off yet another record-setting session a day earlier. When the market bubble finally does pop, I think it’s going to splatter all over the damn place. I would not be surprised to see the Dow back down under 20,000 and it wouldn’t surprise me if it were to lose 60% of its current value. This is a Ponzi scheme market we’re cooking up here. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3126 "2020-09-03T21:29:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And then Covid19 started killing thousands of people. Trump’s lie collapsed. In what sense? All the people that believed him before Covid killed thousands of people, still believe him after Covid has killed thousands of people. Seems like the lie is holding up pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3127 "2020-09-03T21:39:05Z")
There probably has been some support among some independents and centrists; those who still identify as republican, however, know what he stands for and fully support him, lies and all. They probably think he doesn’t lie enough. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3128 "2020-09-03T21:43:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > In what sense? All the people that believed him before Covid killed thousands of people, still believe him after Covid has killed thousands of people. Seems like the lie is holding up pretty well. The new narrative I’m seeing is, :The people who died died WITH Covid, not BECAUSE OF Covid. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3129 "2020-09-03T21:44:15Z")
Twitter has covered up Individual 1’s tweets urging double voting, though they haven’t removed them altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3130 "2020-09-03T21:53:34Z")
Individual 1 refused to visit a US military cemetery in Europe because the service members who died there were “losers” and “suckers”. He doesn’t want wounded military members to appear in military parades. And he doesn’t understand why the United States joined World War II on the side of the Allies. > **[Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/)** > > The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3131 "2020-09-03T21:56:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 refused to visit a US military cemetery in Europe because the service members who died there were “losers” and “suckers”. He doesn’t want wounded military members to appear in military parades. And he **doesn’t understand why the United States joined World War II on the side of the Allies**. I see a Lincoln Project ad about this in the near future. What a disgusting person. Not a surprise, given what we know about him, but holy fuck, did he forget about Pearl Harbor? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3132 "2020-09-03T21:57:58Z")
How the _fuck_ does he have any support from a single member of the military? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3133 "2020-09-03T22:01:18Z")
Yep, got exactly that from my family today. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3134 "2020-09-03T22:18:03Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I see a Lincoln Project ad about this in the near future. What a disgusting person. Not a surprise, given what we know about him, but holy fuck, did he forget about Pearl Harbor? Forget? No. That would assume that he knew anything about it in the first place. As far as people dying WITH COVID and not BECAUSE of COVID, well, that bullet didn’t kill them, massive brain trauma killed them. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3135 "2020-09-03T22:59:55Z")
I thought I’d totally lost the capacity to be shocked by Trump, but I was wrong. We all knew he’s a sociopath, and only understands things on a transactional level – but to read accounts of just how deep that runs and what a broken, sorry excuse for a human he is, is…shocking. ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3136 "2020-09-03T23:07:57Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I see a Lincoln Project ad about this in the near future. What a disgusting person. Not a surprise, given what we know about him, but holy fuck, did he forget about Pearl Harbor? I think he was actually talking about WW1. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3137 "2020-09-03T23:27:31Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > “A lie can run round the world before **the truth** has got its boots on.” “As the vilest writer hath his readers, so the greatest liar hath his believers: and it often happens, that if a lie be believed only for an hour, it hath done its work.” - Jonathan Swift [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=157)