# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 158
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3158 "2020-09-04T11:31:38Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > What a disgusting person. Not a surprise, given what we know about him, but holy fuck, did he forget about Pearl Harbor? We learned earlier this year (and it was probably even discussed earlier in this thread), back in January 2020, that he doesn’t know much about Pearl Harbor. > **[New book portrays Trump as erratic, ‘at times dangerously uninformed’](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-book-portrays-trump-as-erratic-at-times-dangerously-uninformed/2020/01/15/4d45bf44-370f-11ea-a01d-b7cc8ec1a85d_story.html)** > > “A Very Stable Genius,” by two Washington Post reporters, shows “how decision-making in his administration has been driven by one man’s self-centered and unthinking logic — but a logic nonetheless.” > [@](#): > > And, according to a new book by Washington Post reporters Philip Rucker and Carol D. Leonnig, Trump does not seem to grasp the fundamental history surrounding the attack on Pearl Harbor. > > “Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?” Trump asks his then-Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, as the men prepare to take a private tour of the USS Arizona Memorial, which commemorates the December 1941 Japanese surprise attack in the Pacific that pulled the United States into World War II. > > “Trump had heard the phrase ‘Pearl Harbor’ and appeared to understand that he was visiting the scene of a historic battle, but he did not seem to know much else,” write the authors, later quoting a former senior White House adviser who concludes: “He was at times dangerously uninformed.” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3159 "2020-09-04T11:39:04Z")
More statements of [respect for the troops](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-said-us-soldiers-injured-and-killed-in-war-were-losers-magazine-reports/2020/09/03/6e1725cc-ee35-11ea-99a1-71343d03bc29_story.html) from il Doofus: > In one account, the president told senior advisers that he didn’t understand why the U.S. government placed such value on finding soldiers missing in action because they had performed poorly and gotten caught and deserved what they got, according to a person familiar with the discussion. > > Trump believed people who served in the Vietnam War must be “losers” because they hadn’t gotten out of it, according to a person familiar with the comments… ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3160 "2020-09-04T12:35:05Z")
I sure wish John Kelly had knocked his block off. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3161 "2020-09-04T12:42:24Z")
He probably does too at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3162 "2020-09-04T12:54:02Z")
[And now the toilet smear is trying to say that he’s just misunderstood, he didn’t really say what he said](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/09/03/trump-tries-to-backpedal-after-his-call-for-supporters-to-vote-twice-sparks-outrage/24609999/). And the shitheads supporting/adoring him are eating it up. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3163 "2020-09-04T12:59:06Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > I sure wish John Kelly had knocked his block off. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > He probably does too at this point. [We’re in the BBQ Pit, right?] John Kelly can go fuck himself, along with everyone else in this administration and Congress who knew better and enabled Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3164 "2020-09-04T13:05:34Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But it _will_ slow down voting and increase the lines. > > That is the point. It is my understanding that if you are in line to vote, even if the time for polls to close passes, you are still able to cast your vote. Is my understanding of that correct? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3165 "2020-09-04T13:07:19Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Does anyone know if there’s a correlation between Trump counties and opioid prescriptions? Cause I could see how if you’re tanked up on Oxy dressing like a red white and blue asshole and hitting the Trump rally might seem like a good idea. One anecdote that supports this theory … I have a friend who voted for Obama twice. She’s since had a number of health issues and takes a ton of prescription opioids, and has become an obnoxious Trump supporter. Correlation doesn’t equal causation, of course, but … ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3166 "2020-09-04T13:21:43Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > > [@k9bfriender](#): > > > > But it _will_ slow down voting and increase the lines. > > > > That is the point. > > It is my understanding that if you are in line to vote, even if the time for polls to close passes, you are still able to cast your vote. Is my understanding of that correct? It’s true in some jurisdictions, but the real problem with massive lines is that some people will look at the three hour line and say, “Fuck that!” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3167 "2020-09-04T13:22:13Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I have a friend who voted for Obama twice. In different elections? Maybe she’ll one-up herself thanks to this election when she votes twice for the toilet smear. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3168 "2020-09-04T13:23:27Z")
(never mind, screwed up the formatting) ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3169 "2020-09-04T13:23:47Z")
oop ninja’d ``` //i\\ ``` ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3170 "2020-09-04T13:25:40Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > I have a friend who voted for Obama twice. > > In different elections? Maybe she’ll one-up herself thanks to this election when she votes twice for the toilet smear. Haha, yes. Although she was an Illinois resident at the time, so one never knows. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3171 "2020-09-04T13:26:01Z")
Sure. But that isn’t my point. Long lines discourage voters. Not everybody can afford to take the whole day off, not everyone has the patience to wait hours in line. This will be November, as well, so weather may not be conducive to people standing out in it for hours while they wait to vote. And this is assuming that you have the same understanding as law enforcement or federal agents assigned to protect the polls, who may decide to declare a curfew or unlawful assembly. For instance, lets say that there is a fence to help to contain the line, and someone happens to lean on the fence and move it a couple of inches. Long lines are disenfranchisement, Republicans have known this for a long time, which is why they make it harder for minority areas to vote. Longer lines is further disenfranchisement. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3172 "2020-09-04T13:26:27Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I thought I’d totally lost the capacity to be shocked by Trump, but I was wrong. I checked the news this morning, found that Atlantic article, and I was sickened. I can’t really put it any better than jsc1953 did. I’ll just say again what’s already been said countless times…there is something really wrong that he has 35-40% of the population who still support him no matter what. I just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3173 "2020-09-04T13:27:06Z")
Three hour line? Yeah, that’s optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3174 "2020-09-04T13:31:30Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > Kelly had knocked his block off. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > He probably does too at this point. Fuck that. With all Kelly knows about this incompetent conman, if he isn’t out stumping for Biden, he’s a worse human being than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3175 "2020-09-04T13:33:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Three hour line? Years ago, I was one of the adult chaperones for a group of young teens from St. John’s Episcopal Church (yep, the one where the toilet smear held the Bible upside down with his p~ grabbing hand) on a trip to King’s Dominion, the amusement park. The younger priest from the church and I were standing in line with a few of the teens so we could ride the roller coaster. We got up to the sign that said “From here, the wait is 2 hours”. The priest asked me, “Monty, do you know what this sign means?” My response was, “Yes, Father. It means we have a two hour wait in this line”. The priest then told me, “Nope. It means we’re stupid”. That’s why the toilet smear and his supporters and enablers in government are doing this crap. They think only stupid people would stay in those long lines. Well, folks, there will be plenty of people staying in the voting lines, lines they actually had to make some kind of sacrifice just to get to, for this incredibly important election this year. And those people are not stupid; they’re Democrats, not Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3176 "2020-09-04T13:38:39Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > This will be November, as well, so weather may not be conducive to people standing out in it for hours while they wait to vote. November is, can be seriously cold where I live. But we are a skiing community, so most are prepared to be out in any weather. But, I did hear talk of having buses parked at polling places so people could sit down and stay out of the weather (take a number??). Anyway, with COVID, I’m thinking that’s not that good of an idea. I think perhaps this was a pre-COVID idea. The good news is that we are a vote by mail state. Works great. But who knows how many more wrenches Trump will throw at that. Trump and his crooks will do anything to stay in power and out of prison. Hard to believe that this is what the US has become. Putin is laughing every day. I just don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3177 "2020-09-04T13:52:38Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I see a Lincoln Project ad about this in the near future. What a disgusting person. Not a surprise, given what we know about him, but holy fuck, did he forget about Pearl Harbor? Didn’t take them long! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/c_6MGxvSaAY/maxresdefault.jpg "POW") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_6MGxvSaAY) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=157) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=159)