# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 193
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3858 "2020-09-22T13:16:31Z")
If you look at those videos, and see people impeding voting or progress or access in any way whatsoever, then I guess this conversation is probably fruitless, because we don’t live in the same perceptual universe. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3859 "2020-09-22T13:24:00Z")
It’s the equivalent of that asshole 8 year old who used to hold his fist in front of your face crying, “I’m not touching you!” Letter of the law arguments are bunk. These people are apparently staying within the strictures of the law but the intent is pretty friggin’ clear. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3860 "2020-09-22T13:30:09Z")
Yeah, I gotta balls and strikes here, and I just didn’t see anything that was over-the-top. Again, maybe the video didn’t show it, or maybe it did briefly, and I missed it. But there are activists at precincts. Hell, there are candidates who shake hands with voters entering polling stations barely a centimeter beyond where they’re told not to. It’s activism. Sometimes activism is obnoxious. I definitely think voter intimidation is in the GOP playbook, but I don’t think we should turn stories of activism - even obnoxious activism - into ZOMG! Intimidation!!! Besides, I think Trump supporters seriously get off on that idea that they have liberals scared. I’m not about to give these fuckers the satisfaction of believing that their activism or worse is going to keep progressives from actually casting a vote; I’d rather show them the exact opposite: keep fuckin’ with me, and us, and we’ll bring two or three of our friends to vote with us. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3861 "2020-09-22T14:51:47Z")
Maybe its just my relentless optimism, but I see a fly in the ointment. Trump wants to nominate a woman with Cuban ties to deliver the Cuban-American vote in crucial Florida. He also wants to nominate a woman who will assure “Pro-life” fanatics that overturning Roe/Wade is number one on his list. Both groups firmly believe that their priorities should take precedence. “Pro-life” are national, pro-Cuban, almost entirely Floridian. So, what I’m expecting is the pro-Cuban candidate to loudly proclaim her pro-life bony fidos, thus assuring Il Douche that he can have it both ways. However, if both candidates have more integrity than ambition, this may not work. Me? Tequila and bongwater, why do you ask? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3862 "2020-09-22T14:59:05Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If you look at those videos, and see people impeding voting or progress or access in any way whatsoever, then I guess this conversation is probably fruitless, because we don’t live in the same perceptual universe. To be honest, I have not looked at the videos in sufficient quantity or detail to make that judgement. I merely stated what my benchmarks were for acceptable and unacceptable. Since I have done that, if you look at those videos you should be able to tell yourself which way I’d decide on them. Which may or may not overlap with how you feel about it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3863 "2020-09-22T15:08:31Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > In the two clips I saw, the pro-Trump crowd was maybe a dozen or so people, they weren’t blocking access to anything, and they were doing nothing more than waving their flags and signs and chanting “Four more years!” Far more than a dozen were present; “blocking the entrance” evidently stems from their dawdling in line and only moving when forced by an election official. > **[Trump supporters crowd line at Fairfax Co. polling site - WTOP News](https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2020/09/trump-supporters-crowd-line-at-fairfax-co-polling-site/)** > > The entrance to an early in-person polling site in Fairfax, Virginia was temporarily blocked by supporters of President Donald Trump on Saturday afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3864 "2020-09-22T15:12:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > When Democrats do it, it’s discrimination. > > When Republicans do it, it’s inclusion. > > At least that’s what the most recent card I received from the Ministry of Truth tells me Do not waste your time accusing Trump and the Republicans of hypocrisy, because to them hypocrisy is just an effective tool used to keep and increase power. _They are not ashamed of hypocrisy._ ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3865 "2020-09-22T15:15:31Z")
I understand that. Hence the reference to the Ministry of Truth from _1984_. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3866 "2020-09-22T15:22:17Z")
I saw the video that Tilghman posted to twitter, but to be honest, it just mostly shows Trump supporters being a little loud and supporting their candidate. His video just focuses on the supporters - I didn’t see where they were noticeably interfering with voters. This could have happened, but it’s certainly not evident from his video. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3867 "2020-09-22T15:34:19Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > "blocking the entrance” evidently stems from their dawdling in line and only moving when forced by an election official. Oh, those 50 in line weren’t Trump supporters? That’s very different. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3868 "2020-09-22T15:41:27Z")
An NBC interview with Olivia Troye, who played a key role in the Trump administration’s coronavirus response as an aide to Vice President Mike Pence, is going to be shown tonight. I caught a snippet of it on the “Today” show this morning, in which she said trump joked in a meeting about how maybe the Coronavirus is a good thing because now he doesn’t have to shake hands with all those “disgusting” people. > **['He's not actually looking out for you': Ex-Pence aide Olivia Troye assails...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/he-s-not-actually-looking-out-you-ex-pence-aide-n1240683)** > > Trump has been "focused on public image, messaging" and "his personal agenda" rather than facts and science, Troye said. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3869 "2020-09-22T15:59:58Z")
If your are in a queue, you are in the extended process of entering the building. The queue itself is the entrance to the building, because that is the only way to get in. The demonstrators need to stay 100’ away from the queue itself. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3870 "2020-09-22T16:30:42Z")
Shit. We don’t need that lunatic on the Supreme court! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3871 "2020-09-22T20:11:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > However, if both candidates have more integrity than ambition, this may not work. Barrett says the purpose of being a lawyer is to create the Kingdom of God. If she sees voting to prevent abortion as part of that goal, she’ll say or do anything to accomplish that. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3872 "2020-09-22T20:43:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > > [@elucidator](#): > > > > However, if both candidates have more integrity than ambition, this may not work. > > Barrett says the purpose of being a Iawyer is to create the Kingdom of God. If she sees voting to prevent abortion as part of that goal, she’ll say or do anything to accomplish that. Somebody needs to remind her that according to the constitution that she wants to interpret, we’re not supposed to have kings. And there’s no way to interpret THAT prohibition away. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3873 "2020-09-23T04:06:38Z")
> [@rboyce](#): > > Some things just need repeating until heard Hey, uh, @rboyce, can you please type “I am not a robot”??? (I mean, hey, it works on the phone!) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3874 "2020-09-23T08:42:48Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > The fact that Trump’s a wannabe dictator, and that some of his supporters have a tendency to intimidation, doesn’t mean that any gathering of Trump supporters should automatically be considered a potentially violent mob. Oh yes it does! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3875 "2020-09-23T08:59:06Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@mhendo](#): > > > > The fact that Trump’s a wannabe dictator, and that some of his supporters have a tendency to intimidation, doesn’t mean that any gathering of Trump supporters should automaticalIy be considered a potentially violent mob. > > Oh yes it does! Nah, I’m with **mhendo**. It’s not automatic. But it’s also no sucker bet. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3876 "2020-09-23T09:28:24Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@mhendo](#): > > > > The fact that Trump’s a wannabe dictator, and that some of his supporters have a tendency to intimidation, doesn’t mean that any gathering of Trump supporters should automatically be considered a potentially violent mob. > > Oh yes it does! They’re a dedicated follower of fascism. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3877 "2020-09-23T09:45:07Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > They’re a dedicated follower of fascism. Very kinky! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=192) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=194)