# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 195
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3898 "2020-09-23T19:16:34Z")
Wait, my mistake. The bulb is not going to pop, it is going to run out of gas. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3899 "2020-09-23T19:20:25Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/7/71d00f1e5118d847df6beadd6fc2308841a22d50.jpeg) ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/7/71d00f1e5118d847df6beadd6fc2308841a22d50.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3900 "2020-09-23T19:32:26Z")
Can’t be bothered to link to an actual news site to begin with? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3901 "2020-09-23T19:33:17Z")
I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3902 "2020-09-23T19:48:57Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > [https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/7/71d00f1e5118d847df6beadd6fc2308841a22d50.jpeg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/7/71d00f1e5118d847df6beadd6fc2308841a22d50.jpeg) Ahem. “Let HIM.” That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3903 "2020-09-23T19:57:57Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > In person voting here starts Oct. 6th. The way trump keeps acting (talking), you guys may convince me to vote for Biden yet. Yes, I want to vote Jorgenson, but my state is important this time. I’m guessing I’ll live to regret this, but I’ll ask anyway: What could we possibly do that would be more convincing to you personally to vote for Biden than the constant lying, mishandling a pandemic that led to 200,000 deaths, rampant corruption, campaign finance laws broken, doing the bidding of Vladamir Putin, the white supremacy and anti-semitism, the inviting of an enemy to Camp David, the selling out of the Kurds, or any of the hundreds of things Trump has done so far to make a mockery of our country. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3904 "2020-09-23T20:05:06Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > mishandling a pandemic that led to 200,000 deaths While changing his previous stance that keeping deaths under 200,000 is a sign of success; now it’s 2.5 _[million](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-redefines-success-after-covid-19-deaths-surpass-200000-2020-9)_ is a sign of failure. Do you really want to give him that chance of being an utter failure under his own terms, whereupon he will, of course, change those terms again? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3905 "2020-09-23T20:12:02Z")
I don’t even know why anyone would need the Atlantic to believe it. I’m somewhat in agreement with Happy L that just because it’s published by the Atlantic doesn’t necessarily mean that this is an actual campaign strategy or that it’s anything beyond brainstorming at this point, but I don’t doubt for a moment that it’s come up in at least one late night strategy session. The fact that this is being even considered by anyone in Republican circles other than Alex Jones is chilling. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3906 "2020-09-23T20:18:16Z")
Don’t look now but Donald Trump’s approval rating is now almost at 43%. He’s a little closer to that magic number of 45-46%. > **[How Popular Is Donald Trump?](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo)** > > FiveThirtyEight is tracking Donald Trump’s approval ratings throughout his presidency. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3907 "2020-09-23T20:25:54Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Ahem. > > “Let HIM.” > > That is all. I typically ignore these stupid comments. But you seem to pull it more often than anyone else, so I’m briefly pausing my silence. Stop. Just stop. It adds nothing to the discussion, and it makes you look ridiculous. Go play on [grammer.com](http://grammer.com) if you feel the need to endlessly correct others for no reason. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3908 "2020-09-23T20:32:57Z")
Great! Glad to hear you no longer consider linking to click-bait sites run by actors to be the same as actual news sites. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3909 "2020-09-23T20:35:27Z")
Bye, Felicia. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3910 "2020-09-23T20:36:27Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Ahem. > > > > “Let HIM.” > > > > That is all. > > I typically ignore these stupid comments. But you seem to pull it more often than anyone else, so I’m briefly pausing my silence. > > Stop. Just stop. It adds nothing to the discussion, and it makes you look ridiculous. Go play on [grammer.com](http://grammer.com) if you feel the need to endlessly correct others for no reason. > > That is all. Well, this IS the first time I ginned up the temerity to correct _Jesus_. Also: piss off. And have a nice day. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3911 "2020-09-23T20:54:33Z")
For a guy who shits out links like it’s his full-time job, don’t get pissy when someone simply asks you to be better at citing stories. Like, post the original story, not a click-bait recap. And when you do link to George Takei, perhaps you should not be surprised when you get a request for further clarification or citation. Maybe I don’t want to sift through Oh Myyyy! pages to find links to relevant tweets or Atlantic articles. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3912 "2020-09-23T20:56:53Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Don’t look now but Donald Trump’s approval rating is now almost at 43%. He’s a little closer to that magic number of 45-46%. He got a bump from two polls rated C/C+, at least one of which always skews right. Let’s see where it’s at a week from today, assuming he even shows up at the debate. Karl Rove is going against Trump. > **[Rove: Trump, not Biden, has more 'difficult' challenge in first presidential...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/debate-trump-biden-presidential-karl-rove)** > > Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and President Trump get debate advice from Karl Rove on 'Fox & Friends' ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3913 "2020-09-23T21:01:32Z")
Just to change the subject a little, I notice that the Republicans have apparently realized that by indicating that Biden is barely able to function, they have set a very low bar for his debate performance. At this point, if he remains awake and reasonably coherent, he will have exceeded their characterization of him. Therefore, I am all of a sudden seeing them assert how good a debater Biden actually is. [biden-is-actually-a-very-good-debater](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/511156-trump-campaign-adviser-biden-is-actually-a-very-good-debater) [Biden a good debater, as per Trump](https://news.yahoo.com/trump-biden-experience-debate-well-132652951.html) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3914 "2020-09-23T22:02:00Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > > > [https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/7/71d00f1e5118d847df6beadd6fc2308841a22d50.jpeg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/7/71d00f1e5118d847df6beadd6fc2308841a22d50.jpeg) > > Ahem. > > “Let HIM.” > > That is all. Then it should be “Let him whom …” Sometimes getting something to scan smoothly is more important than prescriptive rigidity. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3915 "2020-09-24T00:27:00Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Then it should be “Let him whom …” > > Sometimes getting something to scan smoothly is more important than prescriptive rigidity.- No no no, not _whom_. “Who” is proper as it is the subject of a subordinate clause. Now just stop it!! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3916 "2020-09-24T00:34:18Z")
> **[Trump Says ‘We’re Gonna Have To See’ About Peaceful Transfer Of Power](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-election-results-transfer-power_n_5f6bd70fc5b653a2bcaf9455)** > > The president has also repeatedly spread misinformation seeking to delegitimize mail-in voting. > [President Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump) declined to say if he would accept the election results in November. > > Asked at a press conference Wednesday if he would “commit to a peaceful transferal of power” if he lost the election, Trump said: “Well, we’re gonna have to see what happens.” > > The president then tried, again, to delegitimize mail-in voting, saying: “You know that I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. The ballots are a disaster … **Get rid of the ballots** and you’ll have a peaceful … there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation.” > … My bold. The ballots! They’re the problem! Why didn’t we think of that?? _(Universal group head-slap)_ Who needs ballots? They just cause problems-- mail or not, absentee or not, in-person or not, to count or not… it goes on and on. So let’s just get rid of the fuckers and keep the same gummint forever. That’s the ticket! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/3917 "2020-09-24T00:52:06Z")
If they have a debate, are they going to strap Trump to his chair this time? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=194) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=196)