# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 204
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4078 "2020-09-28T18:22:28Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I can totally see his nibs barricading himself in the White House … There is a solution to that > **[Obama Proposes Cancelling White House’s Cable to Get Trump to Leave](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-proposes-cancelling-white-houses-cable-to-get-trump-to-leave?fbclid=IwAR3WeC55yHsEdUcDlQNu93kbyPxQdxZtb6-aajzOLbbZtP6C344euI3cNM0)** > > “This seems like the most peaceful way to get him to go,” the former President said. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4079 "2020-09-28T18:23:39Z")
Drudge flipped on him some months back, so that’s not surprising. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4080 "2020-09-28T18:40:46Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > I can totally see his nibs barricading himself in the White House … > > There is a solution to that  To be clear to other readers who don’t click on the link, that’s an Andy Borowitz’ satire. But it would surely work. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4081 "2020-09-28T19:03:47Z")
They now have an article on how Bagdad Kayeigh went on Fox TV today and said that the Times reporting was “flawed” and “inaccurate”. And that’s the entire content. Kayleigh didn’t elaborate on exactly how the article was flawed, and Fox didn’t ask. None of their business, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4082 "2020-09-28T19:21:40Z")
Mike Huckabee; " I didn’t elect him to be my tax accountant" > **[Mike Huckabee on bombshell Trump taxes report: ‘So what? — I didn’t elect him...](https://deadstate.org/mike-huckabee-on-bombshell-trump-taxes-report-so-what-i-didnt-elect-him-to-be-my-tax-accountant)** > > Speaking on Fox News this Monday, network contributor Mike Huckabee blew off the New York Times’ bombshell report regarding President Trump’s tax history, first saying that if the report comes from the Times, it lacks credibility. But even if the... ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4083 "2020-09-28T19:45:11Z")
> [@solost](#): > > RE: how trump could get away with stealing an election he loses, I got a little queasy after seeing this article: > [Trump readies thousands of attorneys for election fight - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/27/trump-legal-network-election-day-fight-422035) How many lawyers are actually going to work for him if it’s proven he has no money (see _New York Times_ articles) > [@asahi](#): > > Mind you, Pelosi would be acting within the Constitution, but the concern is whether the average American today, who is used to seeing the outcome decided on television the night of the election, would be able to recognize what any of these technical and legal maneuvers being done by either side as being Constitutional. They accepted the mess and the SotUS ruling in 2000, so there is the definite possibility they’d accept that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4084 "2020-09-28T19:55:16Z")
Just to be clear: he has cash, even if he doesn’t have net worth. It’s an important distinction to make. People will continue working for their employer, even if they’re teetering on the verge of bankruptcy as long as they believe the person they’re working for will still have access to cash. It’s when they believe there’s no more cash that they’ll stop. Real investors don’t invest in Trump’s businesses for that reason - because they figured out there’s nothing to invest in. Someone brought up Amazon not making cash and not paying taxes on one of these threads, and I pointed out that the difference was that Amazon was actually making something of value to investors. Trump isn’t, and never, ever has. It’s really a barely legal, and probably illegal, ponzi scheme or shell game or whatever you want to call it. The Apprentice was a lifeline for Trump, but that was nothing more than an entertainment venture. No offense to entertainers, but there are YouTubers who are good at entertaining. There are YouTubers like Jake Paul who are getting paid millions of dollars. They’re good at what they do - I couldn’t do it. That’s what Trump does and does well. He sells. He markets. He brands. But he doesn’t do P&L or P/E type stuff. He doesn’t have the same business acumen that other types of businesspeople have. He’s like the professional boxer who gets $100 million dollar prize fights and ends up having no money to show for it. So like Mike Tyson, he keeps looking for his next $100 mil prize fight even when he’s 50 and suffering from brain damage. He’ll do oil wrestling if it pays. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4085 "2020-09-28T19:55:57Z")
Seems like that would be trivially easy to prove. Trump could totally own the media by releasing his taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4086 "2020-09-28T20:02:31Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > How many lawyers are actually going to work for him if it’s proven he has no money (see _New York Times_ articles) The shitty ones (morally) will work for free, as long as they have the hope that they’ll be appointed to a juicy role in the subsequent upcoming dictatorship. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4087 "2020-09-28T20:14:53Z")
In case it wasn’t mentioned already, this tax thingy absolutely upped the stakes – big time. If he wasn’t planning on it before, Trump is absolutely, positively planning to challenge the legitimacy of the election now. With this story, with knowledge that tax officials are waiting to potentially lock him up for the rest of his life, this is about survival. It’s life and death. He is a cornered, wounded lion now. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4088 "2020-09-28T20:21:44Z")
One comforting note I’ve seen in recent days is that the DNC is using some of its influx of cash to ramp up its own legal defenses to the insane challenges that the Trump cohorts are preparing. I hope that will be enough to offset the Republican legislatures in battleground states where heavy numbers of mail in votes arrive after November 3 (but within state deadlines). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4089 "2020-09-28T20:29:47Z")
Here is that Channel Four report, the video embedded in the text: > **[Revealed: Trump campaign strategy to deter millions of Black Americans from...](https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-strategy-to-deter-millions-of-black-americans-from-voting-in-2016)** > > 3.5 million Black Americans were profiled and categorised as ‘Deterrence’ by Trump campaign – voters they wanted to stay home on election day ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4090 "2020-09-28T20:29:56Z")
His death would solve a lot of his problems, at least as far as he is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4091 "2020-09-28T20:41:34Z")
In Rick Gates’s new book, he says Individual 1 really wanted Ivanka as his running mate. > **[Trump Really Wanted Ivanka As His 2016 Running Mate, According To Rick Gates](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ivanka-trump-vice-president-rick-gates-book_n_5f71fbaac5b6162603a0ae27)** > > In his new book, “Wicked Game,” Trump’s former deputy campaign manager wrote that the president even polled the idea twice. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4092 "2020-09-28T20:47:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > In Rick Gates’s new book, he says Individual 1 really wanted Ivanka as his running mate.- Well, he could never convince Mike Pence to sit on his lap. Without Mrs. Pence in the room anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4093 "2020-09-28T21:05:10Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Here is that Channel Four report, the video embedded in the text:. > Vast in scale, it contains details on almost 200 million Americans, among more than 5,000 files, which together amass almost 5 terabytes of data – making it one of the biggest leaks in history. > > It reveals not only the huge amounts of data held on every individual voter, but how that data was used and manipulated by models and algorithms. I would not be at all surprised to find out that this database was either supplied TO the Russian government, or supplied BY the Russian government. Either scenario is possible. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4094 "2020-09-28T21:07:54Z")
I found this from Col. Ralph Peters, who is no friend of Obama and the Democrats, but he made pretty much made the same analysis about Trump’s departure last year. In short, if Trump loses, it’s not just a new president, but also a new attorney general, new IRS commissioner, etc. No legal protection for Trump, and in fact just the opposite: he’ll be running for his life. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XolimveZdrQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Analyst: Trump's White House departure will be ugly if he loses") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XolimveZdrQ) With the power that he has now at his disposal, and with people in power willing to use Trump’s authoritarian tendencies for their own individual purposes - be it ideology or corruption - this is going to be quite and end to a 4 year term. Make no mistake about it: Democracy is on the line. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4095 "2020-09-28T21:25:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Here is that Channel Four report, the video embedded in the text: > > [Revealed: Trump campaign strategy to deter millions of Black Americans from voting in 2016 – Channel 4 News](https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-strategy-to-deter-millions-of-black-americans-from-voting-in-2016) Wow. So they have files on something like 2/3 of Americans? Holy crap. Now I’m wondering what my entry in the database said. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4096 "2020-09-28T22:21:18Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Wow. So they have files on something like 2/3 of Americans? Holy crap. Now I’m wondering what my entry in the database said. It probably says the same thing for both of us: “Don’t bother trying to talk to this one, they’ll tear you so many new one while driving a carload of people to the polling place that you’ll exsanguinate.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4097 "2020-09-28T23:48:54Z")
Mine probably says “Mostly Harmless”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=203) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=205)