# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 219
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4378 "2020-10-05T04:25:18Z")
Just a thought. Why is Stephen Miller not infected? I don’t even hear about him being tested. There aren’t many people I want to get sick but he is at the top of the list. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4379 "2020-10-05T04:37:06Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Just a thought. Why is Stephen Miller not infected? I don’t even hear about him being tested. There aren’t many people I want to get sick but he is at the top of the list Since his wife already had it, I wonder if he had it asymptomatically. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4380 "2020-10-05T04:49:00Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Just a thought. Why is Stephen Miller not infected? I don’t even hear about him being tested. There aren’t many people I want to get sick but he is at the top of the list. Covid only infects humans. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4381 "2020-10-05T04:51:50Z")
Not true. It also infects cats and presumably pangolins and bats. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4382 "2020-10-05T04:56:17Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Not true. It also infects cats and presumably pangolins and bats… Warm-blooded animals, then. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4383 "2020-10-05T05:00:58Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Just a thought. Why is Stephen Miller not infected? I don’t even hear about him being tested. There aren’t many people I want to get sick but he is at the top of the list. Professional courtesy from the virus. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4384 "2020-10-05T05:03:34Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Warm-blooded animals, then. That still doesn’t explain Stephen Miller. Rick\_Kitchen’s hypothesis must be closer to the truth. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4385 "2020-10-05T05:12:35Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@Colibri](#): > > > > Warm-blooded animals, then. > > That still doesn’t explain Stephen Miller. Rick\_Kitchen’s hypothesis must be closer to the truth Huh? Colibri is saying that Stephen Miller hasn’t gotten infected yet because covid only infects warm-blooded animals, not cold-blooded creatures like Miller. Or am I confused?? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4386 "2020-10-05T05:15:56Z")
Okay, I see I might have 180° mis-interpreted Colibri’s remark. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4387 "2020-10-05T05:17:48Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Huh? Colibri is saying that Stephen Miller hasn’t gotten infected yet because covid only infects warm-blooded animals, not cold-blooded creatures like Miller. Or am I confused?? Right. Miller clearly seems reptilian in nature. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4388 "2020-10-05T05:28:34Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Right. Miller clearly seems reptilian in nature. Yes. [Stephen Miller](https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/stephen-miller-rejects-claim-grandmother-died-of-covid-636188), who denies his grandmother died with COVID-19 “as a condition leading to respiratory arrest”, the cause of death noted on her death certificate, because she caught it in March and held on until July. Presumably she was on the other, warm-blooded, side of the family. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4389 "2020-10-05T06:15:08Z")
This might explain why Rudy hasn’t gotten it. > **[Rudy Giuliani Tests Positive For Slew Of Obscure Bat Diseases Unrelated To...](https://www.theonion.com/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-slew-of-obscure-bat-di-1845255014)** > > NEW YORK—After undergoing tests to rule out the possibility of coronavirus infection, sources close to Rudy Giuliani confirmed Friday that the attorney tested positive for several dozen obscure bat diseases completely unrelated to Covid-19. “As of... ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4390 "2020-10-05T07:30:48Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > MSNBC is showing a new poll. > > Biden 53% > Trump 39% > > I like these numbers. According to the timestamp, it took Fox News a full 10 hours to report the same news – presumably they were looking for other polls or trying to find a way to spin it. They probably decided that in the absence of other alternatives or just flat-out lying, reporting the poll would be a good way to motivate the wingnuts to vote: > **[Biden up 14 points on Trump following chaotic debate, new poll indicates](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-jumps-to-14-point-lead-nationally-after-debate-poll)** > > A new poll shows Joe Biden with a 14 point lead nationally over President Trump, following the first presidential debate last week.  ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4391 "2020-10-05T12:28:03Z")
I think it’s admirable that the Biden campaign has suspended its negative ads for the time being, but I wonder if it’s a good strategic decision. You know the trump admin would not extend the same courtesy if the situation was reversed. In my state of Michigan I used to see anti-trump ads saying under a trump plan Social Security would run out in 2 years, and preexisting conditions will no longer be protected, running alongside pro-trump ads saying your benevolent leader trump will ALWAYS protect Social Security and Medicare. Now those pro-trump ads falsely claiming that SS & M are super-safe under the trump admin are running unopposed. I don’t know how much it could possibly help trump at this point, but it might help him claw back some senior support in close states like Florida. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4392 "2020-10-05T15:01:35Z")
> [@solost](#): > > I think it’s admirable that the Biden campaign has suspended its negative ads for the time being, but I wonder if it’s a good strategic decision. Why do they need to, when the Lincoln Project is still doing the work of the angels? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4393 "2020-10-05T15:04:31Z")
Exactly. And not just the Lincoln Project. The regular news (outside of Fox News, though even they can’t always ignore the negative) is doing a pretty good job of the day-to-day facts of Trump’s illness and the leadup to his illness, which is far more devastating than negative ads could be. As long as the regular news is so awful for Trump, negative ads would be redundant or even counterproductive. If he gets back healthy, then they can start up again. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4394 "2020-10-05T15:15:52Z")
I love what the Lincoln Project is doing, but I haven’t seen too many of their ads on TV in my state. Maybe they’re concentrating their budget on states where trump is more competitive. My point is, I still watch a fair amount of broadcast commercial TV, and I used to see “trump will get rid of Social Security, ACA and preexisting condition protections” ads and “trump will ALWAYS protect Social Security and preexisting conditions” ads running practically back-to-back. Now I’m only seeing the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4395 "2020-10-05T15:17:03Z")
The Trump situation gives Biden ample cover for cutting down on travel and personal appearances and taking a much more careful approach to protecting his own health. That’s certainly something I think he should do. Biden getting sick seems like the only thing that could really derail this now. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4396 "2020-10-05T15:54:44Z")
Kayleigh McEnany has tested positive for covid-19. > **[McEnany tests positive for COVID-19](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519632-mcenany-tests-positive-for-covid-19/)** > > White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tested positive for COVID-19, she said Monday, making her the latest person in President Trump’s orbit to contract the virus.“After testing negati… ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4397 "2020-10-05T16:01:20Z")
> [@](#): > > **Doctor Warns Trump’s Coronavirus Treatment Can Cause Psychosis, Mania** All together now – “How would they be able to tell?” > [@](#): > > A doctor told [CNN](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/cnn)’s Wolf Blitzer on Sunday that the medication cocktail currently being given to [President Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump) to treat [coronavirus](https://www.huffpost.com/feature/coronavirus) could have some serious side effects, including psychosis, mania and delirium. > > Dr. Megan Ranney, an emergency physician and associate professor at Brown University, talked about the “very complex regimen of medications” the president is currently taking. > > “Two of them, remdesivir and dexamethasone, are medications that we give in our hospital, even in our emergency department, with really sick patients with COVID-19,” she said, noting that those medications are usually only for “seriously ill patients.” > > She went on to say that all of the medications Trump is taking can have side effects that could be damaging to the liver or heart, but warned that dexamethsaone “is known to have mental health side effects.” > **[Doctor Warns Trump's Coronavirus Treatment Can Cause Psychosis, Mania](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-covid-dexamethasone-mental-health_n_5f7b22e6c5b64cf6a253baa3)** > > Dr. Megan Ranney told CNN that the steroid dexamethasone can cause "mental health side effects." She also called some of Trump's behavior "concerning." [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=218) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=220)