# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 226
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4518 "2020-10-07T01:00:03Z")
**Dramatic Unmaskings** > **[‘Don't be afraid of it’: Trump removes mask as he returns to White House – video](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/oct/06/dont-be-afraid-of-it-trump-removes-mask-as-he-returns-to-white-house-video)** > > US president urges viewers not to let coronavirus 'dominate you' as he returns to the White House to continue his treatment for the disease  [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/sa3bHKWZoJg/hqdefault.jpg "Phantom Of The Opera - Unmasking Scene (1925)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa3bHKWZoJg) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4519 "2020-10-07T01:22:16Z")
I’ve been saying it: They need to pull out of the fucking debates. Biden and Harris are not running against a normal opponent; they are running against authoritarians. Biden isn’t running against Trump; he’s running against Putin. These guys are wolves. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4520 "2020-10-07T01:26:18Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > All I can figure is he’s so isolated from anyone but yes-men, that he believes millions of voters will blame Pelosi for this. His followers are already posting about it being Pelosi’s fault. I can’t decide whether he’s just firing up his base, or whether he genuinely believes this threat will inspire other people to vote for him. Given his arrogance, I lean toward the threat. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4521 "2020-10-07T01:27:38Z")
I want to see the debate committee grow a spine. And yes, I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if the plan is to try and infect the opponents in an attempt to take them down. And I’ve never been one to believe in stuff like that, but this is so bad, here I am thinking that. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4522 "2020-10-07T01:38:00Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > I hope they will require that EVERYONE submit a negative test result before anyone steps one foot in that arena for the night. No ‘arriving too late.’ FFS. Can infected people who don’t test positive yet spread it ? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4523 "2020-10-07T01:43:17Z")
Not a good look for the veep. “Do what you want but we’re gonna do everything we can to keep your Covid cooties away from us.” ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4524 "2020-10-07T01:49:50Z")
Yes, but it’s sure better than nothing to insist on another negative test before going onstage. Per CDC: [" An infected person can spread COVID - 19 starting 48 hours (or 2 days ) before the person has any symptoms or tests positive."](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/contact-tracing.html#:~:text=An%20infected%20person%20can%20spread%20COVID%2D19%20starting%2048%20hours,are%20helping%20to%20protect%20everyone.) I wouldn’t trust Pence for a second to have not been in contact with Agent Orange again after he got sick. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4525 "2020-10-07T01:55:44Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > I wouldn’t trust Pence for a second to have not been in contact with Agent Orange again after he got sick. He was at the Rose Garden spreader event, he went to his church that night, he’s been in all sorts of contact with people this entire time. Bastard. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4526 "2020-10-07T01:56:59Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Yes, but it’s sure better than nothing to insist on another negative test before going onstage. Per CDC: > > [" An infected person can spread COVID - 19 starting 48 hours (or 2 days ) before the person has any symptoms or tests positive."](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/contact-tracing.html#:~:text=An%20infected%20person%20can%20spread%20COVID%2D19%20starting%2048%20hours,are%20helping%20to%20protect%20everyone.) I’m agreeing with you, just expanding on it that Pence could still kill people there even with a test. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4527 "2020-10-07T01:57:22Z")
Uninfected people can spread it by bearing virons, which have been shed by infected contacts, upon their person. It is a fair bit less transmissible that route, but it still could happen. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4528 "2020-10-07T02:10:49Z")
Yes! And if the committee is going to allow the lapdog to debate without any physical barriers, a test is the only other precaution there is. I’m sure not picturing him wearing a mask. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4529 "2020-10-07T02:49:29Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > You have got to be fucking kidding me: > > [https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/plexiglass-vp-debate/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/plexiglass-vp-debate/index.html) > > > ### [Commission to allow Pence to debate without plexiglass barriers around him](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/plexiglass-vp-debate/index.html) > > > > The commission organizing general election debates will allow Mike Pence to participate without plexiglass barriers around him at Wednesday’s contest after the vice president’s team objected to their planned use, a member of the debate commission… And this is the man in charge of the US covid task force. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4530 "2020-10-07T02:56:33Z")
Couldn’t happen to a better reptile. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4531 "2020-10-07T03:14:37Z")
I saw on TV a bit more recently (about 2 hours ago), Pence has “reluctantly” agreed to having the plexiglass partitions. The stage has already been set up and they showed a picture of it. It seemed to me, those partitions looked altogether too small to be of any use. I’ll post a pic if I can find one in the next few minutes . . . ETA: Okay, here’s a news article that includes a good clear picture: > **[After a day of pushback from Pence, candidates in VP debate will be separated...](https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/10/6/21504283/pence-harris-clash-over-plexiglass-barriers-in-advance-of-vp-debate-in-utah)** > > The day before Republican Vice President Mike Pence and Democratic California Sen. Kamala Harris take the debate stage at the University of Utah, there’s controversy over plans to use plexiglass barriers in addition to separating the candidates by... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4532 "2020-10-07T03:19:35Z")
Stephen Miller tests positive. Is this the first example of a cold blooded animal getting the coronavirus? > **[Stephen Miller Tests Positive as White House Outbreak Grows (Published 2020)](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/06/us/trump-covid-live-updates?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes#stephen-miller-a-top-trump-aide-tests-positive-for-the-virus)** > > President Trump tweeted that he was “looking forward to the debate” with former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. next week in Miami. He could still be infectious then. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4533 "2020-10-07T03:21:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Stephen Miller tests positive. Is this the first example of a cold blooded animal getting the coronavirus? Yesterday, @Colibri assured us this couldn’t happen. Could he have been mistaken? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4534 "2020-10-07T03:24:25Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Yesterday, @Colibri assured us this couldn’t happen. Could he have been mistaken? 🙂 He was probably infected immediately after a blood meal when his body temperature was temporarily higher. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4535 "2020-10-07T03:25:50Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > He was probably infected immediately after a blood meal Plenty of choices on the menu at the White House lately! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4536 "2020-10-07T03:54:39Z")
Is Trump trying to back-pedal on the stimulus call-off already? Sort of? > > [@](#): > > [Donald J. Trump > ](https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) > > [@realDonaldTrump](https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) > > If I am sent a Stand Alone Bill for Stimulus Checks ($1,200), they will go out to our great people IMMEDIATELY. I am ready to sign right now. Are you listening Nancy? > > [@MarkMeadows](https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkMeadows) > > [@senatemajldr](https://mobile.twitter.com/senatemajldr) > > [@kevinomccarthy](https://mobile.twitter.com/kevinomccarthy) > > [@SpeakerPelosi](https://mobile.twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi) > > [@SenSchumer](https://mobile.twitter.com/SenSchumer) > > 7:18 PM · Oct 6, 2020 ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4537 "2020-10-07T03:57:34Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Is Trump trying to back-pedal on the stimulus call-off already? I imagine that the stock markets falling off a cliff after his earlier tweet got his attention. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=225) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=227)