# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 245
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4898 "2020-10-13T23:54:19Z")
As a decades-long public servant, this is my opinion, too. I worked with high profile elected individuals (judges) and was privy to some of their most private information. I would never have used it for personal gain. But then, I wasn’t ever put in the horrible position SWW was, either. I can tell you that if any judge had ever presented me with an NDA to sign, I’d have flung it back and quit my job on the spot. I was a _public_ servant and my oath was to the _public_. Government is not like the private sector and it shouldn’t be. We all have an obligation to disclose information that is potentially damaging to the public. SWW may well have been protecting the public good if it can be shown that she revealed potential campaign funds fraud. And if so, that NDA isn’t going to be worth a damn in front of a non-partisan judge. As was pointed out by @Mollie_Magill, we have security clearances to protect disclosures of national security information. If you don’t want your dirty laundry aired in public, don’t run for public office. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4899 "2020-10-14T00:06:46Z")
Some good news, probably paywalled but no other major sites have the story up yet that I see. Maybe this will give Trump his heart attack when he rages on Twitter > **[‘Unmasking’ probe commissioned by Barr concludes without charges or any...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html)** > > John Bash finished work on the matter in recent months, but the Justice Dept. has yet to release his findings. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4900 "2020-10-14T02:47:50Z")
When Individual 1 boarded his plane yesterday on the way to his Florida Nuremberg Rally, he entered via the cargo hold. Which had fewer steps. [WEIRD: Trump Boards Air Force One Through Cargo Hold Instead Of Normal Stairs | Crooks and Liars](https://crooksandliars.com/2020/10/weird-trump-boards-air-force-one-through)? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4901 "2020-10-14T03:29:58Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Some good news, probably paywalled but no other major sites have the story up yet that I see. Maybe this will give Trump his heart attack when he rages on Twitter > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html) It’s not that long ago that Trump was raging at Barr over Barr’s announcement that the other “gotcha, Dems” investigation, the Russian-probe one, separate from the unmasking operation (i.e. the one headed by John Durham) wouldn’t result in any juicy releases before November 3.\* So it’s pretty likely that ol’ Billy Boy is _not_ in Donald’s good graces, tonight. . . . \*From your source article: > [@](#): > > … Barr recently told some Republican lawmakers that no report of Durham’s investigation would be released before the November election, though unlike Bash’s review, Durham’s work seems to be ongoing, people familiar with the matter said. Trump has in recent days called the delay in the Durham case “a disgrace,” and asserted that his 2016 Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, should be jailed. … ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4902 "2020-10-14T03:34:14Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Some good news, probably paywalled but no other major sites have the story up yet that I see. Maybe this will give Trump his heart attack when he rages on Twitter It _is_ good news, but the outcome wasn’t much in dispute. That wasn’t the point for opening the investigation, was it? And its purpose has been served. Few will even remember this was a thing. I am so looking forward to Bill Barr’s indictments. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4903 "2020-10-14T03:35:15Z")
If SWW’s description is correct, the White House canceled all the “Gratuitous Service” agreements at the same time because there was a problem with the agreement. Granted, it was just SWW and one of her friends that had that type of agreement, but SWW was snitty because it looked like she had been fired. I suspect the problem with the agreement was the lack of consideration. Frankly, it sounded like something that someone made up because they didn’t know what to do with this unpaid friend of Melania that kept acting like she was in charge of everything. It was mostly just bizarre. But there was something that SWW said that could be a problem for the Trumps. Most of the 26 million that passed through her shell company ultimately went to things like space rental, food and music for the inaugural events and she _only_ cleared about 500K personally. Which is a lot for less than two months work, even if you worked really hard. But she justifies this, in part, “because then she worked free for Melania for a year.” Which would mean that she didn’t work free for a year, but the Inaugural Committee paid her salary. Which is illegal. Add it to the list. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4904 "2020-10-14T03:38:19Z")
I have the feeling this is yet another thing that TrumpCo will try to make “quietly go away” when they are run out of Dodge. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4905 "2020-10-14T04:03:21Z")
Glad to see more “telling it lke it is” reporting with a Lisa Desjardins segment yesterday on PBS, referring to a Mark Meadows interview dodge as more “dirty politics”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4906 "2020-10-14T05:04:02Z")
So the moron, who first did not know Puerto Rico is part of the United States of America, and then moved on to wanting to sell the place, now wants the island’s residents to, get this, vote for him in the general elecrion next month! [story here](https://www.yahoo.com/news/better-vote-trump-demands-puerto-054145519.html) and [Twitter thread here](https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1315796301699780615). ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4907 "2020-10-14T05:20:31Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > They are confidently telling voters Trump will win and that the polls are being manipulated by the Democrats to discourage them from voting, and about how high enthusiasm is for Trump. That may be true on the opinion side but I read Fox online and they’ve had plenty of poll results showing Biden up comfortably. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4908 "2020-10-14T05:29:58Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > As a decades-long public servant, this is my opinion, too. > > I worked with high profile elected individuals (judges) and was privy to some of their most private information. I would never have used it for personal gain. But then, I wasn’t ever put in the horrible position SWW was, either. > > I can tell you that if any judge had ever presented me with an NDA to sign, I’d have flung it back and quit my job on the spot. I was a _public_ servant and my oath was to the _public_. Government is not like the private sector and it shouldn’t be. We all have an obligation to disclose information that is potentially damaging to the public. > > SWW may well have been protecting the public good if it can be shown that she revealed potential campaign funds fraud. And if so, that NDA isn’t going to be worth a damn in front of a non-partisan judge. As was pointed out by @Maus_Magill, we have security clearances to protect disclosures of national security information. > > If you don’t want your dirty laundry aired in public, don’t run for public office. Or if you DO run for public office, don’t have any dirty laundry. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4909 "2020-10-14T12:15:00Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Some good news, probably paywalled but no other major sites have the story up yet that I see. Maybe this will give Trump his heart attack when he rages on Twitter > [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s not that long ago that Trump was raging at Barr over Barr’s announcement that the other “gotcha, Dems” investigation, the Russian-probe one, separate from the unmasking operation (i.e. the one headed by John Durham) wouldn’t result in any juicy releases before November 3.\* This steady diet of nothingberders with two nothingpatties and bland nothingsauce with a side order of nothing might eventually slim him down to 239 pounds! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4910 "2020-10-14T12:30:34Z")
I sincerely hope that AG Barr gets disbarred (no pun intended) by the ABA or whatever sanctioning authority allows him to practice. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4911 "2020-10-14T14:54:14Z")
Trump to suburban housewives: [“will you please like me?”](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-addresses-voter-group-struggled-to-reach-suburban-women-2020-10) ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4912 "2020-10-14T15:48:33Z")
Eww! 🤮 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4913 "2020-10-14T15:58:18Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Trump to suburban housewives: [“will you please like me?”](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-addresses-voter-group-struggled-to-reach-suburban-women-2020-10) Surprisingly, the issue there is not that he’s being horrifyingly sexist but that he’s being horrifyingly racist. He’s claiming he’s “saved their neighborhoods” by weakening regulations designed to reduce housing discrimination and saying that Obama brought “crime” (nudge nudge wink wink) to their neighborhoods. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4914 "2020-10-14T16:05:45Z")
Okay, who is going to tell Trump that the song isn’t saying “nacho man”? The Village People haven’t complained? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4915 "2020-10-14T16:19:42Z")
As the news person I saw reporting this story put it, he ain’t too proud to beg ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4916 "2020-10-14T16:23:30Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Trump to suburban housewives: [“will you please like me?”](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-addresses-voter-group-struggled-to-reach-suburban-women-2020-10) ‘Miss Yvonne, may I like you? I mean… really like you?’ Of course, Captain Carl was sincere, and also a nice guy at heart. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4917 "2020-10-14T18:57:31Z")
Individual 1 retweets a QAnon tweet that Biden and Obama faked the Bin Laden death. > **[Trump Promotes Baseless, QAnon-Endorsed Conspiracy Theory Alleging Obama...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/10/14/trump-promotes-baseless-qanon-endorsed-conspiracy-theory-alleging-obama-staged-bin-ladens-killing/)** > > This wild accusation was pushed by Twitter accounts linked to the QAnon conspiracy theory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=244) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=246)