# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 247
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4938 "2020-10-15T00:35:20Z")
Individual 1 was asked how Barron is doing, and he said, “Barron’s fine, and Amy’s doing great too.” He doesn’t even have empathy for his own alleged son. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4939 "2020-10-15T00:36:57Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > For every person who was waiting 11 hours to vote, how many do you think gave up or didn’t bother to go? I can guarantee that number dwarfs the number who actually voted. And of those who gave up, a sizable number just won’t vote at all. They can’t just grab a ballot and vote on their own time - not everyone has the option to change their mind and vote by mail. They are stuck either waiting now, waiting later, or not voting. You might be completely correct, or you might not be. The long lines are also consistent with so many people voting that the polling places are overwhelmed. It’s too soon to tell either way what the final turnout will be. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4940 "2020-10-15T00:38:04Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > > > Some good news, probably paywalled but no other major sites have the story up yet that I see. Maybe this will give Trump his heart attack when he rages on Twitter > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > It’s not that long ago that Trump was raging at Barr over Barr’s announcement that the other “gotcha, Dems” investigation, the Russian-probe one, separate from the unmasking operation (i.e. the one headed by John Durham) wouldn’t result in any juicy releases before November 3.\* > > This steady diet of nothingberders with two nothingpatties and bland nothingsauce with a side order of nothing might eventually slim him down to 239 pounds! So long as nobody shows him a “beautiful piece of chocolate cake,” he might have a chance. > **[Trump Was Eating "The Most Beautiful Piece Of Chocolate Cake" When He Bombed...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/chocolate-cake-missiles-iraq-err-syria)** > > The president said he made the decision to launch 59 missiles against Syria over a delicious dessert with the Chinese president. . . . > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Of course, Captain Carl was sincere, and also a nice guy at heart. (All these years later, I still miss that guy.) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4941 "2020-10-15T00:54:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 was asked how Barron is doing, and he said, “Barron’s fine, and Amy’s doing great too.” He doesn’t even have empathy for his own alleged son. Loser Donald only cares about his children that he wants to have sex with. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4942 "2020-10-15T00:55:59Z")
Kayleigh McEnandy locked out of Twitter for posting false information from Russian bots.’ [https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/kayleigh-mcenany-locked-out-of-twitter-for-sharing-article-linked-to-russian-disinformation-campaign/](https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/kayleigh-mcenany-locked-out-of-twitter-for-sharing-article-linked-to-russian-disinformation-campaign/) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4943 "2020-10-15T01:37:28Z")
How about locking out Trump. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Earl\_Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4944 "2020-10-15T01:44:56Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > How about locking out Trump He isn’t quite done digging his own grave yet. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4945 "2020-10-15T02:00:49Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 retweets a QAnon tweet that Biden and Obama faked the Bin Laden death. Just another in a very long line of insults to the US Armed Forces. Special Forces, Army, Air Force and Navy personnel were all involved (probably Marines too - sorry). Calling multiple generals, admirals, officers, and enlisted liars. PROJECTION. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4946 "2020-10-15T03:24:13Z")
Oh no! Rudy has more dirt! _The Post said Giuliani gave it a copy of the drive on Sunday, nearly a year after his lawyer was said to have been given a copy of it._ He said, _This time the truth will not be defeated by process. I’ve got a lot more to go. We just started._ > **[An explosive New York Post story that sent Trumpworld into a frenzy is...](https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-hunter-joe-biden-giuliani-red-flags-disinformation-2020-10)** > > The New York Post's story about Hunter Biden has several glaring holes that raise questions about its authenticity. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4947 "2020-10-15T04:02:22Z")
Is it really possible to forge email headers? It looks to me like they commonly have a SHA1 signature that is very difficult to fake without actual access to the sender’s private key. If the emails are not provided with the full headers included, they are not real, end of story. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4948 "2020-10-15T04:04:01Z")
An article worth reading about the people Trump is talking to with his crazy talk: > **[Ammon Bundy and allies build dangerous network of militia members, report says](https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2020/10/ammon-bundy-and-allies-build-dangerous-network-of-militia-members-report-says.html)** > > The People’s Rights network has rapidly grown to more than 20,000 members across the country, says the report by the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights and the Montana Human Rights Network. Mr. Bundy has been busy. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4949 "2020-10-15T04:04:10Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Someone needs to make an ad showing civil rights actions from the past and then show the people doing what it takes to vote this election. Narration (maybe James Earl Jones) saying “we raised our voices in the past; we will be heard now; VOTE”, etc. I love this idea ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4950 "2020-10-15T04:06:13Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Or if you DO run for public office, don’t have any dirty laundry. Well, there ya go. Yes, that’ll work, too. For some. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4951 "2020-10-15T07:08:54Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@TroutMan](#): > > > > For every person who was waiting 11 hours to vote, how many do you think gave up or didn’t bother to go? I can guarantee that number dwarfs the number who actually voted. And of those who gave up, a sizable number just won’t vote at all. They can’t just grab a ballot and vote on their own time - not everyone has the option to change their mind and vote by mail. They are stuck either waiting now, waiting later, or not voting. > > You might be completely correct, or you might not be. The long lines are also consistent with so many people voting that the polling places are overwhelmed. It’s too soon to tell either way what the final turnout will be. ISTM that lines aren’t 11 hours long unless they have people in them for 11 hours. And voting is actually happening with the person who’s at the front, right? And then the next person in line gets a turn. I mean, how likely is it that the line doesn’t move for 11 hours? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4952 "2020-10-15T12:49:09Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Or if you DO run for public office, don’t have any dirty laundry. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > Well, there ya go. Yes, that’ll work, too. For some. 😉 It worked for Obama. Except that part about being a Muslim not born in the USA. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4953 "2020-10-15T13:00:03Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And I will pay the bill! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4954 "2020-10-15T13:01:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 was asked how Barron is doing, and he said, “Barron’s fine, and Amy’s doing great too.” He doesn’t even have empathy for his own alleged son. Well, imagine if the kid had died. AWKWARD! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4955 "2020-10-15T14:36:06Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > What is this strange feeling? is it…hope? I’m just trying to avoid another crushing [disappointment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT1fXGQGvhc) in two weeks. Or get complacent. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4956 "2020-10-15T15:01:26Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Is it really possible to forge email headers? It looks to me like they commonly have a SHA1 signature that is very difficult to fake without actual access to the sender’s private key. If the emails are not provided with the full headers included, they are not real, end of story. It depends on the header. I could forge a convincing fake email message provided I knew enough about the sender and the recipient and the sender wasn’t using DKIM. It looks like the address Pozharskyi was purported to use is a Gmail address, which uses DKIM by default. We should be able to tell if that message was sent from Gmail, at least. I’m not sure how much of a body hash they sign, but we should be able to tell if some of it’s contents were altered. I can’t tell if the domain Biden’s email is purported to come from uses DKIM, but they don’t use SPF or DMARC, so it’s doubtful they have DKIM configured. It wouldn’t be too hard to forge an email message from that domain. That said, it appears that the Post story only supplied pictures of the messages in question, not a full email message with headers. The evidence we have could have been made in any text editor, and really has no convincing weight. ETA: it’s my day off, and I’m still talking email. FUCK YOU, GIULIANI!!! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/4957 "2020-10-15T15:14:54Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > For every person who was waiting 11 hours to vote, how many do you think gave up or didn’t bother to go? I can guarantee that number dwarfs the number who actually voted. And of those who gave up, a sizable number just won’t vote at all. Or gave up that day to go vote another day. By the very fact that they had 11 hour lines means that there were quite a number of people who turned out to vote. I voted on Monday. There was a little bit of a line, but not much. Last week, however, it was pretty bad, with the interstate being backed up by people trying to get to the BOE, and then waiting a few hours in line. The dedicated people waited 11 hours. Less dedicated people will be back in a week to vote when the line is more reasonable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=246) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=248)