# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 252
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5038 "2020-10-16T20:41:29Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > The Republican Governor of Maryland has cast his ballot…for Ronald Reagan. And Traitor Trump appreciates his continued support. He’s just another filthy republican. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5039 "2020-10-16T20:44:04Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > The Republican Governor of Maryland has cast his ballot…for Ronald Reagan. > > [Republican governor in Maryland casts write-in vote for Ronald Reagan | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/maryland-vote-trump-larry-hogan-write-in-ronald-reagan-2024-b1079908.html) While this is marginally better than those spineless Republicans who actively support Trump (like Lindsay Graham), it’s still spineless, IMHO. What possible good does it do to write in the name of a long-dead politician? He may as well have written in the name of Mickey Mouse (or Mitt Romney’s wife). All of these write-in votes are essentially the same thing: throwing one’s vote away. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5040 "2020-10-16T20:45:34Z")
Yeah, it’s not much, but the more Republicans throw their vote away, the better, I reckon. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5041 "2020-10-16T20:47:03Z")
To be fair, I wouldn’t be upset in the slightest if _all_ Republicans followed his example. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5042 "2020-10-16T20:57:25Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I think that the damage that Trump has done in the confidence in our governmental institutions will probably persist as long or longer than most of the other damage that he is done. Yup. The fuck has turned me into a bit of an anti-vaxer. As far as a COVID vaccine is involved. I will NEVER trust anything that comes from his administration, and the people he has put in charge of the CDC etal. ALL Trump does is lie and project **his** crimes onto others all to try to save his worthless ass. I wouldn’t trust him with the change in my pocket. American banks seem to have finally caught on. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5043 "2020-10-16T20:59:37Z")
I didn’t see this posted yet, but might have missed it. Republican Senator Ben Sasse eviscerates Trump in constituent phone call. > **[GOP’s Sen. Sasse says Trump mistreats women, flirts with white supremacy and...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sasse-senate-trump-republicans/2020/10/15/644ece10-0f18-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d_story.html)** > > The senator from Nebraska also accused the president of selling out U.S. allies, cozying up to dictators and mishandling the coronavirus pandemic. > [@](#): > > Sen. Ben Sasse eviscerated President Trump during a phone call with constituents in which the Nebraska Republican accused the president of cozying up to dictators, mistreating women, flirting with white supremacists and irresponsibly handling the [coronavirus](https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_1) pandemic. > > Sasse’s comments were disclosed by the Washington Examiner, which obtained an audio recording of the call, a campaign telephone townhall with Nebraska voters. **Sasse’s spokesman verified that the reporting was accurate,** but declined to answer more specific questions such as when the call happened. > > During the call, a woman asked Sasse why he’s so hard on the president. The senator has been among the Republican lawmakers willing to criticize the president from time to time, but has mostly supported him and his policies. > > **But in the call, Sasse unleashed a torrent of criticisms at Trump.** > > **"The way he kisses dictators’ butts. I mean, the way he ignores the Uighurs, our literal concentration camps in Xinjiang. Right now, he hasn’t lifted a finger on behalf of the Hong-Kongers,” Sasse said.** > > **"The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership, the way he treats women, spends like a drunken sailor,” Sasse continued. “The ways I criticize President Obama for that kind of spending; I’ve criticized President Trump for as well. He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He’s flirted with white supremacists.”** > > This appears to be the most brutal assessment of the president from a sitting GOP lawmaker, echoing many of the charges against Trump from the left. While some Republicans who have left Congress and now speak out against Trump claim many of their ex-colleagues privately feel the same, no one has gone this far in denouncing the president. Even more at the link. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5044 "2020-10-16T21:04:59Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > At this point he’s so far over the edge he’s the Wile E Coyote (“SUPER stable genius”) of politics. It’s just a question of at what point he starts to fall. > > I hope he looks down soon. Well, at least we know he won’t hold up an “Oh, no!” sign first, because reading is for chumps. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5045 "2020-10-16T21:10:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Nothing like open pure partisan vindictiveness. Is this supposed to appeal to Trump voters in other states? > > [https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics/trump-california-fire-disaster-assistance/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics/trump-california-fire-disaster-assistance/index.html) I think it’s not so much to appeal to other states as to: 1. punish California for not being on his side 2. serving as an example of what he’ll do to a state that doesn’t side with him. 3. handy scapegoat - because fascists always need a scapegoat. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5046 "2020-10-16T21:21:56Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I don’t understand quite why it is easier to get the number of people that watched on TV vs internet. > > I have watched twitch streams, and they have a real time count of all the viewers. It seems that it should be far easier and more accurate than TV. I’m there are solid numbers, but that doesn’t mean the owners of those numbers want to release them. Netflix, for instance, never releases viewership numbers although they very much have them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5047 "2020-10-16T21:48:11Z")
Ben Sasse is a pathetic coward, only saying this now because he thinks Trump is going to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5048 "2020-10-16T21:49:34Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I didn’t see this posted yet, but might have missed it. Republican Senator Ben Sasse eviscerates Trump in constituent phone call. > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sasse-senate-trump-republicans/2020/10/15/644ece10-0f18-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sasse-senate-trump-republicans/2020/10/15/644ece10-0f18-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d_story.html) > > Even more at the link. Yeah, swell. Wake me when he votes against ACB. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5049 "2020-10-16T21:51:01Z")
John Kelly pulls a Sasse “The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it’s more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,” the retired Marine general has told friends, CNN has learned. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5050 "2020-10-16T21:51:45Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Yeah, swell. Wake me when he votes against ACB. Wake me up too. He’s my Senator. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5051 "2020-10-16T21:54:16Z")
Kelly’s also a pathetic coward, but we’ve known he lacked honor and decency ever since he was caught lying about Frederica Wilson and refused to apologize to her. ---
**Author:** ![MN\_Maenad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MN\_Maenad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MN_Maenad)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5052 "2020-10-16T22:02:32Z")
> [@The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux/911083/5042): > > Yup. The fuck has turned me into a bit of an anti-vaxer. As far as a COVID vaccine is involved. I will NEVER trust anything that comes from his administration, and the people he has put in charge of the CDC etal. ALL Trump does is lie and project his crimes onto others all to try to save his worthless ass. I wouldn’t trust him with the change in my pocket. American banks seem to have finally caught on. The good news, honestly, is that you won’t have to. Once the trials complete and a bunch of the data (not all of it, but probably enough) is released to the public, there will be tons of actual experts in clinical trials and vaccines to interpret the data. Your doctor will also have a professional opinion. Granted, we’re all going to have to wade through some bullshit, but we have the ability to slap on our critical thinking hats and review the opinions. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5053 "2020-10-16T22:15:32Z")
> [@MN\_Maenad](#): > > The good news, honestly, is that you won’t have to. Once the trials complete and a bunch of the data (not all of it, but probably enough) is released to the public, there will be tons of actual experts in clinical trials and vaccines to interpret the data. Your doctor will also have a professional opinion. > > Granted, we’re all going to have to wade through some bullshit, but we have the ability to slap on our critical thinking hats and review the opinions. Critical thinking? Sure. The CDC and HHS is now under control of a Trump bootlicker. The USA has dropped out of WHO. Yes there are very many renowned and knowledgeable scientists and doctors under them. But I can work at home just fine for a while. Let senate republicans Trumps family, and his administration take the vaccine first. Though, of course, we can’t trust them to do so since they will be getting a saline injection. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5054 "2020-10-16T22:23:19Z")
My above post isn’t CT stuff. It’s just that nothing that DJT or his administration can be counted on as truth. Sure science has plenty of grey areas, but Trump lies when he doesn’t even have to. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5055 "2020-10-16T22:34:06Z")
I give Sasse more credit than that. He’s always been a mild critic of Trump; the topic came up because a woman asked what his standing with Trump is. That said, he voted to acquit Trump so he’s not as strong as he could be. ---
**Author:** ![rejemy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@rejemy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rejemy)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5056 "2020-10-16T22:45:14Z")
For what it’s worth: According to my sources working on Operation Warp Speed, precisely zero of the companies developing vaccines are playing ball with Trump’s push to cut corners. The drug companies know Trump won’t always be in power and don’t want to expose themselves to the massive liability of bypassing the usual trials just to please Trump. And even if the FDA and the CDC were to lie about a vaccine, there are tons of external scientists involved who would cry foul. Trump isn’t getting his vaccine before the election, period. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5057 "2020-10-16T23:15:28Z")
This is the same governor who literally had to smuggle PPE into his state at the height of the pandemic, squirrel it away at an undisclosed site, and call up the National Guard for protection against the federal government. > Blockquote [https://www.axios.com/larry-hogan-maryland-coronavirus-tests-national-guard-10750734-7c9b-4bbe-8f9c-3d8ffcd236bf.html](https://www.axios.com/larry-hogan-maryland-coronavirus-tests-national-guard-10750734-7c9b-4bbe-8f9c-3d8ffcd236bf.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=251) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=253)