# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 267
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5338 "2020-10-22T18:15:26Z")
I thought he was charged with second degree. Judge Pirro says he should get murder 1. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5339 "2020-10-22T18:18:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A judge has dropped third degree murder charges against Derek Chauvin. I’m sure that’s going to go over well on the streets of Minneapolis tonight. It appears that the dropping of that particular charge was based on the judge’s reading of the law, and that Chauvin’s actions did not endanger other people beyond the victim himself: > [@](#): > > Cahill dismissed the third-degree murder charge because the law requires that someone cause the death of another person while committing an act inherently dangerous to others. Here, no others were put at-risk so the charge must be dismissed, he ruled, citing Minnesota Supreme Court precedents. > > A Minnesota Supreme Court decision in a 2014 New Brighton murder case stated that “third-degree murder ‘cannot occur where the defendant’s actions were focused on a specific person,’” Cahill wrote. Chauvin is still charged with second-degree unintentional murder and second-degree manslaughter. > **[Ex-Minneapolis police charged in George Floyd's killing will go to trial; one...](https://www.startribune.com/ex-minneapolis-police-charged-in-george-floyd-s-killing-will-go-to-trial-one-count-against-derek-cha/572827792/)** > > Judge drops lower-level murder count but rules officers will face charges. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5340 "2020-10-22T18:45:47Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A judge has dropped third degree murder charges against Derek Chauvin. I’m sure that’s going to go over well on the streets of Minneapolis tonight. As **kenobi\_65** notes, this charge was dropped precisely because it didn’t fit the circumstances of Floyd’s death. And, in fact, many criminal justice folks had been saying, all along, that a third-degree murder charge was inappropriate in this case, and that a second-degree charge was the correct one. I [posted about this](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15889) way back at the end of May, when the charges were first filed against Chauvin, linking to a [Boston Globe op-ed](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/31/opinion/minnesota-prosecutors-charges-might-lead-an-unjustly-easy-sentence-george-floyds-killer/) on the subject by two respected criminal lawyers. But, maybe just as importantly for this thread, what does the decision of a state judge, in a state case, have to do with the clusterfuck that is the Trump administration? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5341 "2020-10-22T20:02:52Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Who else is watching tonight’s debate purely for the hopes of seeing Trump go ballistic the first time he gets muted? What time does this start? I’ve seen some conflicting announcements. Need answer fast. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5342 "2020-10-22T21:47:22Z")
Google says from 9 to 10 p.m., Eastern time. As I recall, Rachel said last night that her show was going to be an hour early because of the debate, so that fits. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5343 "2020-10-23T00:27:09Z")
Re: Debate time. Thanks, Morgyn. And now this: This is rich. I’ll spoiler or redact the sensitive parts for those who want to play along at home. [President Trump’s Twitter accessed by security expert who guessed password ‘xxxxxxxxx’](https://news.yahoo.com/president-trumps-twitter-accessed-security-153722291.html) > [@](#): > > A Dutch security researcher says he accessed President Trump’s @realDonaldTrump Twitter account last week by guessing his password: “maga2020!”. > > Victor Gevers, a security researcher at the GDI Foundation and chair of the Dutch Institute for Vulnerability Disclosure, which finds and reports security vulnerabilities, told TechCrunch he guessed the president’s account password and was successful on the fifth attempt. > > ( . . . ) > > It’s the second time Gevers has gained access to Trump’s Twitter account. > > The first time was in 2016, when Gevers and two others extracted and cracked Trump’s password from the 2012 LinkedIn breach. The researchers took his password — “yourefired” — his catchphrase from the television show “The Apprentice” — and found it let them into his Twitter account. Gevers reported the breach to local authorities in the Netherlands, with suggestions on how Trump could improve his password security. One of the passwords he suggested at the time was “maga2020!” he said. Gevers said he “did not expect” the password to work years later. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5344 "2020-10-23T00:29:32Z")
Like. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5345 "2020-10-23T00:41:57Z")
The ‘hacker’ shoulda change the password to _IHaveTinyHands_. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5346 "2020-10-23T00:50:04Z")
_IHereByResign_ ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5347 "2020-10-23T00:51:15Z")
_BidenRides_ ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5348 "2020-10-23T01:05:59Z")
Borat delivers a “defense” of Giuliani: > > “I here to defend America’s mayor Rudolph Giuliani. What was an innocent sexy-time encounter between a consenting man and my 15-year-old daughter have been turned into something disgusting by fake news media. I warn you, anyone else try this and Rudolph will not hesitate to reach into his legal briefs and whip out his subpenis.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5349 "2020-10-23T01:11:30Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Gevers reported the breach to local authorities in the Netherlands, with suggestions on how Trump could improve his password security. What the fuck is wrong with that guy? Are his wooden shoes too tight? Reported it? Would you do that? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5350 "2020-10-23T01:42:48Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Google says from 9 to 10 p.m., Eastern time. As I recall, Rachel said last night that her show was going to be an hour early because of the debate, so that fits. They better not go into overtime. I’m on the left coast, and _Jeopardy!_ starts at 7. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5351 "2020-10-23T02:12:56Z")
So Trump has several strong indications that he has or at least has wanted to engage in statuatory rape. Now his top lawyer has a compromising pic which also strongly suggests same. Yet a non-insubstantial proportion of the electorate thinks it is the _Dems_ who do such pervy things. The. Mind. Boggles. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5352 "2020-10-23T02:20:19Z")
I saw the scene tonight (the film has been released on Prime video) and ‘I was tucking my shirt in’ is a pretty credible response, imho. Seems to me this revelation was timed to boost movie streams, to be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5353 "2020-10-23T03:10:47Z")
Borat defends Giuliani. 'What was an innocent sexy time encounter between a consenting man and my 15-year-old daughter has been turned into something disgusting by fake news media,’ he said, before using his hands to elongate his nose like the character Pinocchio when he lies. 'I warn you. Anyone else tries this and Rudolph will not hesitate to reach into his legal briefs and whip out his subpoenas,’ he added, pronouncing subpoenas like ‘subpenis’. > **[Borat 2 is released one hour before debate](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8870629/Borat-defends-Rudy-Giuliani-honey-trap-scene-sequel-released-one-hour-debate.html)** > > Sacha Baron Cohen stepped back into his Borat character on social media on Thursday to comically defend Rudy Giuliani's scandalous scene in the sequel calling it 'innocent sexy time'. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5354 "2020-10-23T05:05:40Z")
Individual 1 says his answers to Lesley Stahl were “magnificently brilliant”. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/magnificently-brilliant-trump-boasts-of-his-contentious-60-minutes-interview/ar-BB1aizgD](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/magnificently-brilliant-trump-boasts-of-his-contentious-60-minutes-interview/ar-BB1aizgD) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5355 "2020-10-23T07:33:22Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > What the fuck is wrong with that guy? Are his wooden shoes too tight? Reported it? Would you do that? Surprisingly, some hackers have ethics and an unwillingness to openly break the law. Weird but true. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5356 "2020-10-23T12:15:36Z")
Any speculation on what’s up with Mitch McConnel? I’ve just seen the CNN article, but no theories - doesn’t look like damage from a fall. > **[McConnell says 'no concerns' despite visible bandages and bruises | CNN Politics](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/mitch-mcconnell-bruised-hands/index.html)** > > Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell did not answer questions about his health Thursday, only saying there were "no concerns" after reporters asked him about what appeared to be bruises and bandages on his hands in recent days. Also, the article only talks about his hands, but look at his lips - looks like a Mentat who’s been overdoing the old Sapho Juice… ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5357 "2020-10-23T12:19:58Z")
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