# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 274
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5480 "2020-10-27T16:56:41Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Plus, if he were in a US jail, he wouldn’t be allowed a phone. It does bring to mind a pretty sinister scenario, however. There was an episode of Agent Carter where evil hypnotist Ivchenko had his face wired shut and put in the same jail cell with evil scientist Dr. Arnim Zola. Zola told him “Despite all their seemingly bleak circumstances, you are a fortunate man. You are in an American jail, and America is the land of opportunity.” ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5481 "2020-10-27T17:50:14Z")
He’s not worried about going to prison because he probably won’t even be prosecuted. He’s worried about losing the millions of dollars constantly flowing into his personal business from taxpayers. Also he wants to be adored, and losing would mean he isn’t adored, so he’ll do whatever it takes to cheat-win so he can claim he’s adored and 99% of the country wants to suck his disintegrating dick. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5482 "2020-10-27T18:21:14Z")
The Vermont AFL-CIO is preparing for a strike vote of the entire state if Individual 1 doesn’t step down after losing the election. Plus the resolution calls for a national union strike “in the event of a coup.” > **[Vermont AFL-CIO to hold general strike authorization vote in event of...](https://vtdigger.org/press_release/vermont-afl-cio-to-hold-general-strike-authorization-vote-in-event-of-political-coup/)** > > Contact: VT AFL-CIO President David Van Deusen Phone: 1.802.522.5812 Email: vtdavidvandeusen@gmail.com Follow the Vermont AFL-CIO on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/vtworkers/ 10/25/2020, Montpelier, Vermont - The Executive Board of... ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5483 "2020-10-27T18:54:16Z")
They’re not the only ones, but you can only stand to hear _Cat Scratch Fever_ so many times. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5484 "2020-10-27T18:58:46Z")
> It would be very very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on November 3rd, instead of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate and I don’t believe that that’s by our laws. I don’t believe that. So we’ll see what happens – Trump before leaving WH Of course votes are counted after Election Day. If there is a moment when he he has a lead in a state he will declare himself the winner and try to shut the vote counting down. Florida in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5485 "2020-10-27T19:44:07Z")
Good news everyody-- the trump admin has officially ended the pandemic!! > **[White House science office takes credit for 'ending' pandemic as infections...](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/27/white-house-science-office-ending-pandemic-432827)** > > It’s the latest inaccurate claim from the administration on the severity of the pandemic. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5486 "2020-10-27T20:03:46Z")
The whole point of Trump’s executive order that makes it easier to fire people is so that he can fire those who do not say what he wants them to say. If Trump wins, expect all of our data to have been altered by sharpie before it is released to the public. Covid will be over, everyone will have a job, and the environment will be cleaner than ever! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5487 "2020-10-27T20:05:35Z")
> [@solost](#): > > Good news everyody-- the trump admin has officially ended the pandemic!! This country’s biggest denier of science has a “Science Office”? ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5488 "2020-10-27T20:18:22Z")
Yes, just like the government of Oceania had a “Ministry of Truth”. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5489 "2020-10-27T22:14:21Z")
The actual press release linked in the story says > **OSTP statement** > > ENDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC: From the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Administration has taken decisive actions to engage scientists and health professionals in academia, industry, and government to understand, treat, and defeat the disease. (spoilered to save you from barfing) which is rather ambiguous language that does not literally declare the pandemic over (except for cases where “literally” is used to mean “figuratively”). ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5490 "2020-10-27T22:41:33Z")
# [Trump’s pitch to women on coronavirus recovery: ‘We’re getting your husbands back to work’](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-pitch-to-women-on-coronavirus-recovery-were-getting-your-husbands-back-to-work/ar-BB1arZhi?li=BBnb7Kz) I mean…this IS dumb, right? "We’re gonna get your husbands back to work, because they are the workers. Not you, of course, because you have vaginas and are obviously not bread winners or major contributors to the household income… " ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5491 "2020-10-27T22:50:56Z")
Dumb for sure, but also a sign of the social and intellectual bubble he’s lived in for 50+ years. I think he simply may not realize that we aren’t living in 1970 and especially not in 1970 Brooklyn. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5492 "2020-10-27T22:51:57Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > I think he simply may not realize that we aren’t living in 1970 and especially not in 1970 Brooklyn. If we were, I’d buy up some cheap property near the river. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5493 "2020-10-27T23:27:46Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > > It would be very very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on November 3rd, instead of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate and I don’t believe that that’s by our laws. I don’t believe that. So we’ll see what happens > > – Trump before leaving WH > > Of course votes are counted after Election Day. If there is a moment when he he has a lead in a state he will declare himself the winner and try to shut the vote counting down. Florida in 2000. One of the reasons the electoral college votes so many weeks after election day is because it used to take weeks to tally all the paper ballots by hand before a winner was confirmed. As usual, $45 has no knowledge of history, and neither do his supporters. Frankly, I could wish a return to paper ballots and hand counting, especially after following [Jennifer Cohn on Twitter](https://twitter.com/jennycohn1). She has some eye-opening and really, really terrifying reports on the safety of our voting machines. TL;DR: they ain’t very. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5494 "2020-10-28T00:38:07Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > > > Whether Trump is sitting in a no-extradition country or in the USA awaiting trial, he will continue tweeting away nonstop. > > > > No he won’t. He would have been kicked off Twitter for TOS violations long ago if he weren’t occupying the White House; unless he changes his behavior (fat chance) he’ll lose his access in short order. > > Plus, if he were in a US jail, he wouldn’t be allowed a phone. I did say “awaiting trial.” I’m in the camp that believes Trump won’t see the inside of either a jail or a prison. (I’d bet he flees the country unless given credible promises of having his sentence commuted.) If he flees, it certainly is possible that Twitter would bar him from its platform. I don’t think that’s likely, though. Yes, he will probably be given less leeway than he enjoys now. But Trump has always followed mob-boss rules: he says stuff that’s just this side of illegality. He’s indirect and employs innuendo. He won’t say ‘followers, please shoot Biden’ even if he’s no longer President. Look at the way he framed his ‘will no one rid me of this turbulent rival’ request today: > [@](#): > > Donald Trump: Joe Biden, Kamala, do you like Kamala? Do you like her to be your vice-president? I don’t know. If he gets elected, three weeks into his presidency, they’ll say, “Kamala, you’re ready? Let’s go.” That’s why they’re talking about the … That’s why they’re talking about the 25th amendment, right? Three weeks. **Three weeks in, Joe’s shot,** “Let’s go Kamala, are you get ready?” Most liberal person in the Senate. > > She makes Bernie Sanders look like a serious conservative. This will not be … We can’t let it happen. This will not be the first woman president. > **[Donald Trump Rally Speech Transcript Lansing, Michigan October 27 | Rev Blog](https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-rally-speech-transcript-lansing-michigan-october-27)** > > Donald Trump held a campaign rally in Lansing, Michigan on October 27. Read the transcript of his speech here.  Trump’s defense here would be something like ‘I was telling them how terrible it would be if Kamala became President.’ The fact that he’s clearly fantasizing about Joe Biden getting shot—‘putting that idea out there,’ as it were—would be waved aside. That’s how he’d continue to do things on Twitter, should he be expelled from the Presidency. They wouldn’t ban him just because he’s Donald Trump; there would have to be an overt act on his part that justified it. (Obviously my bolding in the speech transcript.) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5495 "2020-10-28T01:01:37Z")
Hijack, but I’m curious: Have Republican voters ever noticed that there’s a Republican ritual of routinely, and erroneously, proclaiming any Senate Democrat who gets on a Presidential ticket to be “the most liberal person in the Senate”? IIRC, this goes back at least to the Clinton-Gore candidacy, although it seems to have skipped Lieberman in 2000. Gore '92 (VP) [Kerry '04](https://www.factcheck.org/2004/10/how-liberal-is-john-kerry/) [Obama '08](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2008/jun/16/john-mccain/obama-not-no-1-in-other-ratings/) The claim also seems to have skipped Clinton '16, perhaps given the widespread awareness that her best-known competitor for the Democratic nomination was Sen. Bernie Sanders, an actual self-identified socialist. And now Harris is getting her turn at the “most liberal Senator” accusation, even though she manifestly is not, and a fortiori not more liberal than Sanders. Presumably the Republican campaign is banking on the expectation that their voters have forgotten any actual facts about specific policies that Sanders advocates, and will not notice how absurd it is to claim that Harris is more liberal than he is. They don’t seem to have noticed the absurdity of the previous “most liberal Senator” claims, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5496 "2020-10-28T01:05:05Z")
These are people who actually believe the Democrats are socialist, Communist AND Marxist all at the same time. Expecting them to question the “most liberal” thing is unrealistic. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5497 "2020-10-28T01:12:00Z")
And of course these people don’t have a lick of an idea what socialism, communism and marxism mean and what the differences between them are, only that they’re BAAAAD, and “unamerican” (my “favorite” adjective). ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5498 "2020-10-28T01:17:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Expecting them to question the “most liberal” thing is unrealistic. Maybe, but I can’t help wondering if it’s dawned on any of them that the description is formulaic rather than factual. Democrats don’t seem to automatically start calling Senate Republicans “the most conservative Senator” when they get a Prez or Veep nomination, but if they did, I think I’d have noticed the ritualistic nature of the claim. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5499 "2020-10-28T02:39:45Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > And of course these people don’t have a lick of an idea what socialism, communism and marxism mean and what the differences between them are, only that they’re BAAAAD, and “unamerican” (my “favorite” adjective). This X 1,000,000 I often wonder what the socialism-haters think it is? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=273) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=275)