# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 276
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5520 "2020-10-28T13:31:24Z")
That’s probably part of it. I also read it as a sort of old-fashioned, siitcom-like, “I just want my husband out of the house for awhile” type of “joke.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5521 "2020-10-28T13:32:59Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If this Washington Post article is correct, it’s not that the campaign made no plans for getting them back; it’s that the road was throttled to one-way after the rally in order to let people out, but this meant that the buses couldn’t get back in to pick people up. I’m assuming it’s the local police who make those sorts of traffic decisions, but it’s not clear from the article who’s to blame. - That’s still something the campaign should be co-coordinating/planning for, local police or not. They bused the people there, there should be a plan to bus them back. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5522 "2020-10-28T13:35:52Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > but it’s not clear from the article who’s to blame. Well, it’s 100% crystal clear who’s NOT to blame, had nothing to do with it, didn’t know about it, and is not sure what a _bus_ is. See if you can guess. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5523 "2020-10-28T13:37:20Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@mhendo](#): > > > > but it’s not clear from the article who’s to blame. > > Well, it’s 100% crystal clear who’s NOT to blame, had nothing to do with it, didn’t know about it, and is not sure what a _bus_ is. See if you can guess. 🙄 - They _know_ what a bus is. It’s something you throw people under. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5524 "2020-10-28T13:37:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That’s still something the campaign should be co-coordinating/planning for, local police or not. They bused the people there, there should be a plan to bus them back. But if the story is true, it seems that they did have a plan to bus them back, and the buses were there; they just couldn’t make the trip back out to the venue to pick up more passengers after the first load, because the road was made one-way. Look, I’m happy to blame Trump and his people for anything and everything bad, but there might be more to this story than simply, “Trump doesn’t care about his supporters.” I’m sure there will be plenty of blame-casting over this event in the next few days. I’ll be interested to see what the Trump people have to say, and if they are happy to throw the local cops under the bus. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5525 "2020-10-28T13:38:24Z")
It does seem to have been a traffic issue but still, it’s not a good look. Plus [there was this](https://siouxlandnews.com/news/local/fact-check-ballot-boxes-at-trump-campaign-rally-in-omaha-are-not-official): there were a number of ballot boxes set out at the rally that had initially been advertised as “official”. They were not. ---
**Author:** ![tricoteuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tricoteuse/32/4334_2.png) [@tricoteuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tricoteuse)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5526 "2020-10-28T13:38:26Z")
Barf is right! It pisses me off that now, when we should be thinking about the reelection of the first female president, we’re all on the internet hoping that Joe Biden will win by enough of a margin that some guy with the emotional maturity of a toddler who’s missing his nap won’t destroy the country because his toy got taken away. Oh, and I sure as hell won’t ever vote for Larry Hogan again. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5527 "2020-10-28T13:38:28Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > But the Trump team made no plans on getting them back, stranding them. Many attempted to walk back, but in the end, at least 7 people were transported to the hospital, dozens had to be treated for hypothermia, and the Omaha PD had to order buses from the Omaha transit authority to assist these people. They wouldn’t have so many hypothermia cases if they didn’t have so many thermometers. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5528 "2020-10-28T13:38:52Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > They wouldn’t have so many hypothermia cases if they didn’t have so many thermometers. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5529 "2020-10-28T13:40:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > But if the story is true, it seems that they did have a plan to bus them back, and the buses were there; they just couldn’t make the trip back out to the venue to pick up more passengers after the first load, **because the road was made one-way.** - Which is a failure of the plan. As usual, the left foot didn’t know what the right butt-cheek was doing. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5530 "2020-10-28T13:42:01Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If this Washington Post article is correct, it’s not that the campaign made no plans for getting them back; it’s that the road was throttled to one-way after the rally in order to let people out, Until this is verified by something other than the Trump campaign, I’m not putting any faith in it. > [@](#): > > **The Trump campaign said** it had provided enough buses but traffic on the two-lane road outside the airport was throttled to one direction after the rally, tweeted Aaron Sanderford, a political reporter at the Omaha World-Herald. **The campaign didn’t immediately respond to a message from The Post early on Wednesday.** ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5531 "2020-10-28T13:47:43Z")
He keeps on attacking Gov. Whitmer at Michigan rallies. Also downplaying the threat of OVER A DOZEN PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTIVELY PLANNING TO KIDNAP AND KILL HER > “I mean, we’ll have to see if it’s a problem. Right? People are entitled to say maybe it was a problem, maybe it wasn’t,” > “It was our people – my people, our people that helped her out. And then she blamed me for it. She blamed me and it was our people that helped her. I don’t get it. How did you put her there?” [https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/trump-gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-michigan/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/trump-gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-michigan/index.html) I mean, fuck this guy. This is insanity. Gov. Whitmer’s response in the Atlantic: > **[The Plot to Kidnap Me](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/plot-kidnap-me/616866/)** > > Every time the president ramps up his violent rhetoric, every time he fires up Twitter to launch another broadside against me, my family and I see a surge of vicious attacks sent our way. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5532 "2020-10-28T13:53:22Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Look, I’m happy to blame Trump and his people for anything and everything bad, but there might be more to this story than simply, “Trump doesn’t care about his supporters.” He doesn’t, but that’s not the point. The point is: > [@running\_coach](#): > > Which is a failure of the plan. As usual, the left foot didn’t know what the right butt-cheek was doing. IOW just like the entire ~~administration~~ clusterfuck. In my fund-raising career I put on a zillion events. (Nothing this big, granted.) You are supposed to think ahead to all the shit that might go wrong. Seems like consulting the local traffic authority should have been on the to-do list, eh? After four years, I finally added “clusterfuck” to my computer’s dictionary. I sincerely hope I have less use for it in the future, but I fear that will not be the case. > [@tricoteuse](#): > > Barf is right! It pisses me off that now, when we should be thinking about the reelection of the first female president, we’re all on the internet hoping that Joe Biden will win by enough of a margin that some guy with the emotional maturity of a toddler who’s missing his nap won’t destroy the country because his toy got taken away. Right now we’re just hoping enough votes get **counted** to elect Joe. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5533 "2020-10-28T14:01:02Z")
Trump holds rally; turns some of his supporters blue. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5534 "2020-10-28T14:11:42Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Trump holds rally; turns some of his supporters blue. - 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5535 "2020-10-28T14:12:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump’s rally in Omaha last night had them bus hundreds of people 3.7 miles from the parking lot to the rally location. > > But the Trump team made no plans on getting them back, stranding them. Many attempted to walk back, but in the end, at least 7 people were transported to the hospital, dozens had to be treated for hypothermia, and the Omaha PD had to order buses from the Omaha transit authority to assist these people. Well, yes, of course - Trump needed them for the rally, but once he was done he had no further use for them and did not care what happened to them. This is what the Trumpists don’t get - _they are disposable._ Trump views them as kleenex - have boxes of them around because you might need them, but when you’re done with them throw them away. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5536 "2020-10-28T14:15:33Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If this Washington Post article is correct, it’s not that the campaign made no plans for getting them back; it’s that the road was throttled to one-way after the rally in order to let people out, but this meant that the buses couldn’t get back in to pick people up. I’m assuming it’s the local police who make those sorts of traffic decisions, but it’s not clear from the article who’s to blame. So… you’re telling me that the _President of the United States_, and/or his flunkies, couldn’t pick up a goddamned phone and fucking call the locals and say “Hey, assholes, let these buses get through to pick these people up”? It still displays epic levels of failure to plan or give a fuck about constituents. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5537 "2020-10-28T14:16:02Z")
Yeah, if you can’t handle the logistics of a rally, then that doesn’t reflect well on your ability to run a country. The only thing we have that there was _any_ plan is a single statement from the White House, which has been known to bend the truth from time to time. That there was not an effective plan is borne out by the actual events that took place. Looking at the map of Eppley Airfield, I see that it is not some backwater strip with a single road, but that it has at least 3 roads feeding in and out of it. I’m not really buying the excuse. But sure, Trump admin, blame your failures on the local cops, tell us how much you support law enforcement as you throw them under the bus. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5538 "2020-10-28T14:18:00Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > So… you’re telling me that the _President of the United States_ , and/or his flunkies, couldn’t pick up a goddamned phone and fucking call the locals and say “Hey, assholes, let these buses get through to pick these people up”? - Just thought of something. If all those buses were there waiting to take people back, why did the police have to call in local transit buses? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5539 "2020-10-28T14:19:19Z")
Good point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=275) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=277)