# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 278
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5560 "2020-10-28T17:23:55Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Please wake me when things have gotten normal again. > [@MikeF](#): > > You and Rip Van Winkle. May have to resort to [cryonics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics). ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5561 "2020-10-28T17:35:37Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > May have to resort to [cryonics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics). Totally off-topic fun fact: I bought my first house from [Robert Ettinger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ettinger), the ‘father of cryonics’, who was name-checked in that cryonics article you linked to. I hope, for his sake, they do wait a little while longer before they try thawing him out. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5562 "2020-10-28T18:03:22Z")
Tapes from Jared Kushner’s interview with Bob Woodward in April have been released. It sounds more like the secrets they’d whisper to each other, not stuff they’d willingly tell a journalist. Some choice quotes: > “We’ve now put out rules to get back to work. Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors.” > “The states have to own the testing. The federal government should not own the testing. And the federal government should not own kind of the rules. It’s got to be up to the governors…But the President also is very smart politically with the way he did that fight with the governors to basically say, no, no, no, no, I own the opening. Because again, the opening is going to be very popular. People want this country open. But if it opens in the wrong way, the question will be, did the governors follow the guidelines we set out or not?” > “He basically did a full hostile takeover of the Republican Party…You look at, like, the Republican Party platform, it’s a document meant to, like, piss people off basically.” > “The most dangerous people around the president are over-confident idiots. Right? Because that has a way, sometimes, of getting past his defense mechanism because if you’re overconfident, then sometimes, you know, on a topic where he doesn’t have other people around to kind of validate it, then he can sometimes say, okay, let’s go with that…We’ve gotten rid of a lot of the over-confident idiots, and now he’s got a lot more thoughtful people who kind of know their place and know what to do.” [https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5563 "2020-10-28T18:07:45Z")
> [@tricoteuse](#): > > Oh, and I sure as hell won’t ever vote for Larry Hogan again. Is there something specific that Hogan did, or is it just because he a Republican? (not that being a Republican isn’t good enough reason to vote against him). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5564 "2020-10-28T18:16:10Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If this Washington Post article is correct, it’s not that the campaign made no plans for getting them back; it’s that the road was throttled to one-way after the rally in order to let people out, but this meant that the buses couldn’t get back in to pick people up. I’m assuming it’s the local police who make those sorts of traffic decisions, but it’s not clear from the article who’s to blame. It was Chris Christie. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5565 "2020-10-28T18:17:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > It was Chris Christie. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5566 "2020-10-28T18:18:09Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > t sometimes seems as if Trump is trying to kill off his base. Why drag them out into the cold and dark without adequate transportation _in the middle of a pandemic_ that’s hitting that area particularly hard? Luring the vulnerable out into a situation that’s perfect for lowering their resistance is downright criminal. I’ll bet most of them weren’t even wearing masks. I think it may be a power trip thing. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/9p2BjhSEnNI/maxresdefault.jpg "Conan The Barbarian: Riddle of Steel") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p2BjhSEnNI) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5567 "2020-10-28T18:20:57Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > “I probably wouldn’t be standing out here in the freezing rain with you,” he told a crowd of hearty souls who had been standing for hours in persistent drizzle to hear him speak. “I’d be home in the White House, doing whatever the hell I was doing. I wouldn’t be out here.” Ah, the good old days of William Henry Harrison. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5568 "2020-10-28T18:24:31Z")
Yes, all 30 of them. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5569 "2020-10-28T18:25:02Z")
Oath Keepers leader talking to Alex Jones about his plan to defend the White House from Biden, and preparing for war with Democrats on the West Coast who are working for China. [https://www.mediamatters.org/infowars/militia-leader-stewart-rhodes-says-his-group-will-be-polling-locations-and-ready-kill](https://www.mediamatters.org/infowars/militia-leader-stewart-rhodes-says-his-group-will-be-polling-locations-and-ready-kill)? 50% of Individual 1 supporters and 89% of QAnon believers believe that Individual 1 should never concede the election. > **[Half of Trump supporters say he shouldn’t accept election result if he loses,...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/polls-result-trump-supporters-biden-win-us-election-2020-b1353933.html)** > > Exclusive polling: Some 29% of US adults think it’s ‘perfectly acceptable’ for the president to refuse to accept the outcome of next week’s election if he narrowly loses Top NOAA Scientist Fired After Asking Trump Appointees to Acknowledge Agency Scientific Integrity Policy > **[Top NOAA Scientist Fired After Asking Trump Appointees to Acknowledge Agency...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-noaa-scientist-fired-after-asking-trump-appointees-to-acknowledge-agency-scientific-integrity-policy)** > > Asked to pledge not to manipulate research to political ends, the agency’s newly appointed chief of staff asked, “Respectfully, by what authority are you sending this to me?” The Individual 1 campaign website got hacked in a ransom demand. > **[Trump campaign site "defaced" in apparent hack](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-campaign-website-defaced/)** > > President Trump's campaign website briefly showed a message from someone claiming to have compromised devices belonging to Mr. Trump and his relatives. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5570 "2020-10-28T18:26:05Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > _ **Camerota** _ _: Well, let’s talk about acting responsibly. I mean, just again with Wisconsin, are you at all concerned given that there has been an outbreak in the vice president’s orbit of people around him and that there is currently an outbreak – I mean, hospitals in Wisconsin are near capacity. And so is there – does that give you any pause or the vice president any pause about going there and holding a big rally?_ > > _ **Gidley** _ _: No, it doesn’t. The vice president has the best doctors in the world around him, they’ve obviously contact-traced and have come to the conclusion it’s fine for him to be out on the campaign trail._ I’m picturing the following followup: _ **Camerota:** _ What about the people attending the rally? _ **Gidley:** _ _(genuinely baffled)_ What about them? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5571 "2020-10-28T18:26:45Z")
They knew what they were signing up for. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5572 "2020-10-28T18:27:32Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > This ~week prior to Election Day is taking approximately a gazillion years. I hear ya. Kind of like when Bart was stuck licking PTA envelopes when the rest of the school was at the [chocolate factory](https://youtu.be/ZJcIfZDktK8?t=208). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5573 "2020-10-28T18:31:15Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Unexpected candor from the Prince of Lies: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I probably wouldn’t be standing out here in the freezing rain with you,” he told a crowd of hearty souls who had been standing for hours in persistent drizzle to hear him speak. “I’d be home in the White House, doing whatever the hell I was doing. I wouldn’t be out here.” > > “…doing whatever the hell I was doing…” Does even _he_ not know what it was > > > [@](#): > > > > “We win Wisconsin, we win the whole ballgame,” he said last week on yet another frigid airport tarmac, this time in Janesville. “What the hell do you think I’m doing here on a freezing night with 45-degree winds?” > > > > “Do you think I’m doing this for my health?” he continued as the temperature dropped and some of the crowd began trickling out. “I’m not doing this for my health.” > > Or the health of his followers either, evidentl. > > > [@](#): > > > > “By the way, nice trucks,” he said to no one in particular on yet another airport tarmac. “You think I could hop into one of them and drive it away?” > > > > “I’d love to just drive the hell out of here. Just get the hell out of this,” he went on. > > [https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/trump-election-2020-insults/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/trump-election-2020-insults/index.html) > I swear, it’s as if he’s trying to drive his supporters away, insult them, and subject them to cold and disease. > > He throws people in office who kowtow to him under the bus. > > Why the _hell_ do people continue to support this guy? CNN needs a comments section, so I can let them know that it’s _hardy_, not “hearty.” ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5574 "2020-10-28T18:33:37Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Ah, the good old days of William Henry Harrison. Yeah, but in that case it was the politician deciding to stay out in the cold and rain, and he suffered the consequences. In this case Trump went back to his warm, comfy, cozy jet after the speech and left the attendees to tough it out in the cold and wet for hours while the buses didn’t pick them up. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5575 "2020-10-28T18:35:13Z")
In case you were wondering if Trump’s rallies have increased COVID cases in their wake, rest assured. They have. > [@](#): > > As President Donald Trump jetted across the country [holding campaign rallies](https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/2019/08/01/scenes-president-donald-trumps-2020-campaign-rallies/1884857001/) during the past two months, he didn’t just defy state orders and federal health guidelines. He left a trail of coronavirus outbreaks in his wake. > > The president has participated in nearly three dozen rallies since mid-August, all but two at airport hangars. A USA TODAY analysis shows COVID-19 cases grew at a faster rate than before after at least five of those rallies in the following counties: Blue Earth, Minnesota; Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; Marathon, Wisconsin; Dauphin, Pennsylvania; and Beltrami, Minnesota. > Together, those counties saw 1,500 more new cases in the two weeks following Trump’s rallies than the two weeks before – 9,647 cases, up from 8,069. > > Public health officials additionally have linked 16 cases, including two hospitalizations, with the rally in Beltrami County, Minnesota, and one case with the rally in Marathon County, Wisconsin. Outside of the counties identified by USA TODAY with a greater case increase after rallies, officials identified four cases linked to Trump rallies. > **[Trump’s campaign made stops nationwide. Coronavirus cases surged in his wake...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/10/22/trumps-campaign-made-stops-nationwide-then-coronavirus-cases-surged/3679534001/)** > > A USA TODAY analysis shows county COVID-19 cases grew at a faster rate after at least five of Trump's rallies across three states since mid-August. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5576 "2020-10-28T18:36:05Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Yeah, but in that case it was the politician deciding to stay out in the cold and rain, and he suffered the consequences. > > In this case Trump went back to his warm, comfy, cozy jet after the speech and left the attendees to tough it out in the cold and wet for hours while the buses didn’t pick them up. What if we have the galley send out some cherries in milk? It’s worth a try. ---
**Author:** ![tricoteuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tricoteuse/32/4334_2.png) [@tricoteuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tricoteuse)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5577 "2020-10-28T19:01:37Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Is there something specific that Hogan did, or is it just because he a Republican? He wrote in Ronald Reagan on his ballot instead of just voting for Biden. It was a stupid pointless gesture and waste of a vote. To be honest I voted for Hogan last time and thought he did a fairly good job of handling the pandemic and stuff. But people know what’s at stake this time and they shouldn’t be throwing their votes away with stupid stunts. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5578 "2020-10-28T19:03:57Z")
However, given what we see with voter suppression, the GOP seems to value a ‘non-vote for the other guy’ just as highly, if not higher, than a vote for their guy. So I’m perfectly fine with Trump 2016 voters not voting for the other guy (Trump). I don’t care who they vote for: 1 less vote for Trump = 1 less vote Biden needs to _gain_. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5579 "2020-10-28T19:09:34Z")
William Henry Harrison died of pneumonia. Standing outside in the rain does NOT cause pneumonia. There is no evidence that it can increase the risk of pneumonia. Being inside with infected people can cause pneumonia because pneumonia is an infectious disease caused by viruses or bacteria. Can we please, please stop saying that being outside in cold wet weather causes infections? Science is important. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=277) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=279)