# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 282
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5640 "2020-10-29T17:29:38Z")
they have been doing airport things to get around the number limits in some states, the arena embarrassment thing, etc. he can fly in have a great look with af 1 in back of him, and fly right out. this way he can zip around faster and to more places. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5641 "2020-10-29T17:30:32Z")
Thanks for tracking that down. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5642 "2020-10-29T17:33:30Z")
I hate it when something damaging to Trump turns out not to be true. But in ‘fighting ignorance’, everyone is subject to hits. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5643 "2020-10-29T17:35:09Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > they have been doing airport things to get around the number limits in some states, the arena embarrassment thing, etc. he can fly in have a great look with af 1 in back of him, and fly right out. this way he can zip around faster and to more places. I believe an additional point is that doing the rally at the airport means there’s no need to fly in the President’s motorcade vehicles, which requires a C-17 load of additional crap. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5644 "2020-10-29T17:56:57Z")
Even so, it must be costing Individual-ONE a lot of money. /s ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5645 "2020-10-29T18:08:01Z")
Individual 1 claims to have ended the Kosovo War. Which ended in 1999. > **[Trump Takes Credit For Ending Kosovo War, Which Ended In 1999](https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/10/28/trump-takes-credit-for-ending-kosovo-war-which-ended-in-1999/)** > > Trump falsely claimed his Kosovo-Serbia economic deal ended a long war. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5646 "2020-10-29T18:15:08Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I believe an additional point is that doing the rally at the airport means there’s no need to fly in the President’s motorcade vehicles, which requires a C-17 load of additional crap. Yeah, a 747 can hardly carry the crap that Trump is on it’s own. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5647 "2020-10-29T19:00:58Z")
Want another rumor? Heard that before the rally, the buses ran many loops to the location. After the rally, the first load of buses left and many of the rally goers decided not to wait for the next trip because it was obviously going to take a long time and they might not be able to get on the next bus and, heck, the parking area isn’t that far away. So they walked on the road, which slowed down the returning buses, which made the rest of them less likely to wait, so more of them walked on the road. . . As I say - this is a rumor. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5648 "2020-10-29T19:24:29Z")
Clusterfuckery as we speak: > ---
**Author:** ![PackerMan2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/packerman2/32/2894_2.png) [@PackerMan2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PackerMan2)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5649 "2020-10-29T20:05:22Z")
It wouldn’t shock me if this is just a weaselly cop out. Sure the drivers were paid, they’re employees. The drivers aren’t being compensated by the campaign. I’d totally believe that a supervisor or manager said to the drivers, “they didn’t pay us, get out of there”. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5650 "2020-10-29T20:08:07Z")
This is fun > [@](#): > > **Some of the mystery around why Barr was so anxious to fire U.S. Attorney Berman has been solved** > > In June, Attorney General William Barr suddenly [announced the resignation](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/20/1954597/-Barr-announces-resignation-of-U-S-attorney-for-SDNY-U-S-attorney-announces-Barr-is-a-liar) of U.S. attorney Geoffrey Berman. There was only one problem—Berman had not resigned, and he wasn’t going to resign. [So Barr fired him](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/20/1954661/-Barr-says-U-S-attorney-who-refused-to-resign-is-now-fired-but-this-is-all-far-from-over). Berman disputed Barr’s ability to remove him from office, but finally left after securing an agreement that his primary assistant would take over the office, rather than handing it off to a political appointee with no criminal law experience who was favored by Donald Trump. > > In [congressional testimony](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/9/1959478/-Former-top-New-York-prosecutor-testifies-AG-Barr-repeatedly-tried-to-force-him-out), Berman made it clear that Barr had been trying to force him out of his office for months. The clash between Berman and Barr made clear that the new attorney general was attempting to[completely politicize the DOJ](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/24/1955579/-House-Judiciary-committee-hearing-confronts-Barr-s-politicization-of-the-DOJ). And for weeks following Berman’s departure, there was speculation over exactly why Barr was so anxious to see the New York attorney gone. > … > At least part of the answer became clear on Thursday… …Berman was trying to prevent a Turkish state-owned bank from illegally funneling billions to Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions. And Donald Trump was defending them. > > … > > As _[The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/us/politics/trump-erdogan-halkbank.html)_ reports, Berman had the evidence he needed to make a case against Turkey. But even before Barr came to town, the Department of Justice would not allow him to move forward on charges that Halkbank, under the control of Turkish dictator Recep Tayyip Erdogan, had violated U.S. law and international sanctions to the tune of billions. > > In 2019, a frustrated Berman came to press his case to the a newly installed Barr, and Barr had an immediate answer for him—settle the case. What Barr wanted was for Berman to tell Turkish officials that, in exchange for a small fine, he would end the investigation. Halkbank would be able to carry on business in the U.S. Erdogan and other figures connected to the sanctions violations would not be charged. > > … > > “This is completely wrong,” said Berman. “You don’t grant immunity to individuals unless you are getting something from them, and we wouldn’t be here.” > > Why was Barr pushing Berman to let it go? Because Erdogan was pushing Trump. > **[Some of the mystery around why Barr was so anxious to fire U.S. Attorney...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/29/1990682/-U-S-attorney-was-fired-because-investigation-became-embarrassing-to-one-of-Trump-s-dictator-friends)** > > In June, Attorney General William Barr suddenly announced the resignation of U.S. attorney Geoffrey Berman. There was only one problem—Berman had not resigned, and he wasn’t going to resign. So Barr fired him. Berman disputed Barr’s ability... ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5651 "2020-10-29T20:45:25Z")
There is something deeply wrong with Bill Barr. He is corrupt to the bone, yet cloaks himself in the self-appointed righteousness of his religious beliefs. As much as Trump, I want to see Barr prosecuted to the full extent of the law. May Neil Katyal or Preet Bharara please be our next Attorney General. Thanks for posting this. This is corruption that up to now, hasn’t received much attention at all. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5652 "2020-10-29T20:49:13Z")
And now people at Individual 1’s rally in Tampa are passing out from the heat and they’re spraying them with water. > **[Trump supporters are reportedly passing out in the heat at Tampa rally |...](https://www.cltampa.com/news/trump-supporters-are-reportedly-passing-out-in-the-heat-at-tampa-rally-12229106)** > > A fire truck was blasting water on supporters gathered outside Raymond James Stadium. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5653 "2020-10-29T20:49:56Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > As much as Trump, I want to see Barr prosecuted to the full extent of the law. May Neil Katyal or Preet Bharara please be our next Attorney General. Andrew Cuomo was on The View this morning, and they were touting him for AG. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5654 "2020-10-29T20:51:20Z")
Neil Katyal or Preet Bharara? 🙂 That’s amusing. I didn’t see The View, not a show I watch, but it just goes to show: Great minds think alike. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5655 "2020-10-29T20:53:32Z")
So on average, the temperature at Trump rally’s is pretty nice. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5656 "2020-10-29T20:57:28Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Neil Katyal or Preet Bharara? 🙂 That’s amusing. No, Andrew Cuomo. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5657 "2020-10-29T21:00:14Z")
Oh! Sorry about that. I completely misunderstood your meaning. I don’t think Cuomo wants the job, nor do I think he’s a good pick. He’s been great as Governor of New York through the pandemic, but he rubs a lot of people the wrong way and is a serious self-promoter in his own right. Also much too partisan. I deliberately tried to stay away from anyone who is highly partisan. If I were to make a partisan suggestion, it would be Adam Schiff, drop the mic. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5658 "2020-10-29T21:04:46Z")
87 degrees is not that hot for the South. Almost sweater weather. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5659 "2020-10-29T21:06:05Z")
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