# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 284
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5680 "2020-10-29T22:56:21Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > That’s a really great piece. Thanks for pointing me to it. If you have access to WAPO, this is an even better piece on the same subject (I didn’t use it as the cite/link above since it’s probably paywalled). > **[Opinion | Is this Barr’s cry for help?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/welcome-to-the-resistance-bill-barr/2019/10/14/da24cd20-eec0-11e9-8693-f487e46784aa_story.html)** > > Maybe his comments on religion apply to his boss. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5681 "2020-10-29T23:04:06Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > … to hear a bloviating lying asshole with the intelligence of a turnip … Sir, I insist you apologize for viciously defaming the honor of noble brassica rapa rapa. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5682 "2020-10-29T23:05:06Z")
> [@robby](#): > > The vote needs to go our way, surviving court challenges, voter suppression, and other Republican ratfuckery; then the country as a whole needs to accept the results; then the electoral college needs to vote; then Biden needs to actually be inaugurated. Many rivers to cross. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5683 "2020-10-29T23:13:42Z")
Just to get back to the buses. The articles state that there were 25,000 people at the rally and 40 buses. Assuming that these are large buses that seat 60 people, that is 2400 people per trip which means that each bus would need to make 10 trips to get everybody back to the parking lot. If it is 2.5 miles away with an average of 30 mph that is 10 minutes per trip. Add another 10 minutes for loading and unloading means 20 minutes per trip x 10 trip means \> 3 hours to transport all the people.That is not good planning. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5684 "2020-10-29T23:17:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > … to hear a bloviating lying asshole with the intelligence of a turnip … > > Sir, I insist you apologize for viciously defaming the honor of noble brassica rapa rapa. Point taken. I fear that this is a case where all analogies must fail. My first thought was to compare him to a sewer rat rather than defile your beloved turnip, but that analogy holds only in respect to his ethics. On the intelligence scale, rats are actually quite bright, relatively speaking. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5685 "2020-10-29T23:50:09Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > My first thought was to compare him to a sewer rat… I’ll never get a better opening than this. This is from the “You Think You’ve Had a Bad Day” Department. > **[New York Nightmare: Man Falls Through Sidewalk Into Rat-Filled Chasm...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/nyregion/rats-sinkhole-sidewalk-bronx.html)** > > “Rats crawling on him, he can’t move,” said the brother of the man, who was rescued after about 30 minutes and remains hospitalized in stable condition. > On Saturday just past noon, Leonard Shoulders strolled up to a bus stop in the Belmont neighborhood of the Bronx. A handful of people stood around, waiting for their rides or looking down at their phones — an unremarkable scene. > > But then a hole suddenly opened up on the sidewalk and Mr. Shoulders, 33, plunged into it. Stunned bystanders who rushed to the edge of the chasm faced a ghastly sight: Mr. Shoulders had dropped 12 to 15 feet into an underground vault teeming with rats. > > “Rats crawling on him, he can’t move,” his brother, Greg White, [told CBS New York](https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/10/26/bronx-sidewalk-collapse-video-greg-white/). “He didn’t want to yell because he was afraid there were going to be rats inside his mouth.” > > For about 30 minutes, Mr. Shoulders remained in the vault as firefighters tried to pull him out of the hole. Videos of the scene show him eventually being wheeled away on a stretcher by emergency workers. He suffered injuries to his head and arm, Mr. White said. > … 😱 _Returning to your regularly scheduled program._ ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5686 "2020-10-29T23:55:51Z")
I’m confused about the number of attendees because I’ve read that reporters estimated more than 6000 attendees while apparently the campaign claims 29,000. That could be outdated or incorrect information. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5687 "2020-10-30T00:01:45Z")
You couldn’t fit 25,000 people in that hanger if they stood on each others shoulders. 7000 is probably closer to correct ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5688 "2020-10-30T00:11:41Z")
Snakes Rats! Why did it have to be snakes rats! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5689 "2020-10-30T00:36:03Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > I’m confused about the number of attendees because I’ve read that reporters estimated more than 6000 attendees while apparently the campaign claims 29,000. That could be outdated or incorrect information. The campaign is probably counting everyone who requested a ticket, much like the 8 million people who went to the Tulsa rally. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5690 "2020-10-30T00:37:38Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I fear that this is a case where all analogies must fail. Yes. There is nothing that is not defamed by being compared to CFSG. Not pond scum, not toxic black mold, not that slime you get on the lawn if you fail to get up all the walnuts. Even asbestos is more laudable. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5691 "2020-10-30T00:42:51Z")
How it started… [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9ufE-oNahCShKd46HgLSx9vAX_90F_V2HljObtrjmG1UeQqefsujw4d18ZdqqZInybt6fnzdWBR16fJG7Tx7nnbzH66YzaMyJ6DEfMKf6KuJlakDr1l_mliekOTTK24iqBzG8uGR5g=w600-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/YjA57DEUj88acqvd6) How it’s going… [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RinMCKTNYhS3NSfXmljtdAJ79UsM3xqDefCGu-EBU-45X9lnAylRWxzf0PFmRkldtmnaxmGyox2dyDiUoKgoig-L1PUCfOGyD0NXNOiZgYaqeCVQCTs0cYJBRpd8BmqD97mc5jCkyw=w584-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/areJPf41HjWC2PyZ8) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5692 "2020-10-30T00:43:55Z")
> [@robby](#): > > …then Biden needs to actually be inaugurated. But just a bit before that… Isn’t Pence gonna do the Big Fib on Jan. 6? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5693 "2020-10-30T01:22:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Many rivers to cross. Earworm! (but a good one) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5694 "2020-10-30T01:53:19Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > There’s a reason it was named “Florida”, and I don’t think it was because of the flamingos there. > **[Origin of "Florida"](https://statesymbolsusa.org/symbol-official-item/florida/state-name-origin/origin-florida)** > > Florida was named by explorer Ponce de Leon in 1513. The name "Florida" comes from the Spanish word "florido," which means "full of flowers," or "flowery." All State Name Origins ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5695 "2020-10-30T02:20:35Z")
So I was right! Florida wasn’t so named after the flamingos! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5696 "2020-10-30T02:23:37Z")
> [@robby](#): > > > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > > > I’m getting a severe, “getting way ahead of ourselves” vibes with cabinet suggestions. How about we vote him in first and then we start worrying about filling out the place cards. > > I agree. The vote needs to go our way, surviving court challenges, voter suppression, and other Republican ratfuckery; then the country as a whole needs to accept the results; then the electoral college needs to vote; then Biden needs to actually be inaugurated. I can’t think about a possible Biden cabinet right now, either. Yes. This thread ain’t done yet. The clusterfucking isn’t over until January 20 (if then). ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5697 "2020-10-30T02:25:25Z")
On Wednesday a Trump rally was announced for Friday afternoon (10/30) at the Rochester Minnesota airport. The mayor is pissed, the state AG is involved, with Minnesota wanting the rally to follow the emergency orders in place. By Thursday afternoon the rally got moved to a small town 20 miles away, to be held at a manufacturing facility owned by a very religious company (rumor was they were going to give their employees a paid day off so they could attend the rally. ) I assume the small town mayor wasn’t going to be as fussy about the state orders. Then supposedly the state AG (Democrat Keith Ellison) asked for their pandemic plans as required. Now Thursday evening, the rally got moved back to Rochester, closed to the public. The campaign is stating that they will abide by crowd size rules (250). My bet is Trump will have a fit and cancel the whole thing. It would be a silly trip anyway, since Minnesota will most likely go for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5698 "2020-10-30T02:29:20Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Florida’s hot. People don’t actually go out into it except to reach their cars, shops, restaurants. Standing on the tarmac in a parking lot requires more stamina than most geezers can manage for more than a few minutes. Word. I attended an air show in Waco, TX one time in conditions about as described for the Trump rally in question, and had to leave after about an hour as I was on the verge of heat exhaustion. Wasn’t no geezer, either, although currently I’m rapidly reaching that status. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/5699 "2020-10-30T02:41:27Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > People don’t actually go out into it except to reach their cars, shops, restaurants Reminds me of a Fran Lebowitz line - the outdoors is what you cross to get from your apartment to a taxi. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=283) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=285)