# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/566 "2020-07-05T22:54:10Z")
A good and accurate informational article on what antifa is – and isn’t. > **[BBC Radio 4 - Seriously..., Seriously... - Seven things you need to know...](https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/X56rQkDgd0qqB7R68t6t7C/seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-antifa)** > > The anti-fascist movement has been making the headlines, but what is it? In general, they are opposed to carrying guns. But they will use violence defensively if attacked first. Regular local and federal law enforcement will be responsible for sorting out these conflicts if they occur. Anyone who is illegally brandishing or firing guns is subject to arrest and prosecution. I do recall a big white nationalist rally that was supposed to convene on Washington DC a few years ago, some million-man-redneck gun fest. It rained. Only a very few showed up. I believe it was someone here on the Dope who observed their motto must be, “Live free or dry.” ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/567 "2020-07-06T00:53:33Z")
Thank you, I needed a laugh. “live free or dry” guy, I’ll buy you a virtual drink. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/568 "2020-07-06T02:12:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/569 "2020-07-06T02:23:39Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Here’s the full passage from the speech: > > > In a few moments, we will bear witness to awesome aircraft representing every major military conflict over the last 75 years. These planes once launched off massive aircraft carriers in the fiercest battles of World War II. They raced through the skies of Korea’s MiG alley. They carried American warriors into the dense fields and jungles of Vietnam. They delivered a swift and swip…you know that, sweeping … It was swift and it was sweeping like nobody’s ever seen anything happen. A victory in Operation Desert Storm. A lot of you were involved in that. A lot of you were involved. That was a quick one. And they’ve gone on to dangerous missions all around the world to take out enemy terrorists and bring our soldiers home safely. It’s interesting how you can pretty much see what the original script was and see when Trump stumbled. And it’s scary to see how he was unable to recover after he made what should have been a minor mistake. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/570 "2020-07-06T02:36:09Z")
When he tries to wing it, his brain flies away. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/571 "2020-07-06T04:47:44Z")
More like crashes and burns. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/572 "2020-07-06T07:01:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > A hoax pulled them out of the woodwork on July 4, but I figure these are the same people who will converge on the White House to protect their leader when he loses the election. > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/hundreds-of-armed-men-went-to-gettysburg-to-defend-it-from-a-phantom-antifa-flag-burner-created-on-social-media/2020/07/04/206ee4da-bb05-11ea-86d5-3b9b3863273b\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/hundreds-of-armed-men-went-to-gettysburg-to-defend-it-from-a-phantom-antifa-flag-burner-created-on-social-media/2020/07/04/206ee4da-bb05-11ea-86d5-3b9b3863273b_story.html) I believe these are the good folk I heard described as “cosplaytriots”. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/573 "2020-07-06T12:20:52Z")
Hah!! ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/574 "2020-07-06T12:34:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > When he tries to wing it, his brain flies away. Brain and brain, what is brain? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/575 "2020-07-06T13:29:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > When he tries to wing it, his brain flies away. Stream of unconsciousness. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/576 "2020-07-06T18:04:16Z")
A black man at the Gettysburg cemetery was harassed and police suggested that he leave. Not the Nazis, but the black guy who was the victim. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/577 "2020-07-06T18:11:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A black man at the Gettysburg cemetery was harassed and police suggested that he leave. . . I don’t doubt that’s true, but could you provide a link? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/578 "2020-07-06T18:19:27Z")
Looks like it’s this from a [WaPo story](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/hundreds-of-armed-men-went-to-gettysburg-to-defend-it-from-a-phantom-antifa-flag-burner-created-on-social-media/2020/07/04/206ee4da-bb05-11ea-86d5-3b9b3863273b_story.html) of the Marching Militia Morons who got duped by a story about flag burning. As the 3 p.m. start time for the planned flag burning approached, there was no sign of Alan Jeffs or of busloads of antifa members. > Suddenly, by the statue of Lee, a biker shouted that he had gotten an alarming call. Someone was preparing to burn a flag, after all, he said. Scores of people jumped on their bikes and roared toward the cemetery. > > There, they learned it was not the threat they imagined. > > A man had entered the cemetery wearing a Black Lives Matter T-shirt. The man, Trent Somes, later told The Post he was visiting the grave of an ancestor, not protesting. A seminarian and associate pastor at First United Methodist Church in Hanover, Pa., Somes said a crowd of about 50 people surrounded him and aggressively questioned him about his shirt. > > “I didn’t do anything to them,” he said. > > Police arrived and encouraged Somes to leave. > > “For his own safety, federal law enforcement made the decision to remove him, and he was escorted out of the cemetery,” Jason Martz, acting public affairs officer for Gettysburg National Military Park, later said. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/579 "2020-07-06T18:36:31Z")
No doubt to the cheers of the boogaloo crowd. Well done, police! (Although I am curious about the numbers. If there were two cops and “scores” of armed bikers, what else could they have done? Called in massive reinforcements and provoked a riot by attempting to arrest the lot? As fun as that might have been to watch …) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/580 "2020-07-06T18:40:49Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > (Although I am curious about the numbers. If there were two cops and “scores” of armed bikers, what else could they have done? Called in massive reinforcements and provoked a riot by attempting to arrest the lot? As fun as that might have been to watch …) Yes. That is the response that Dear Leader Trump has called for when there are disruptive protesters. These Marching Militia Morons should have been pepper sprayed and shot with rubber bullets. And if they had fired a shot, they should have been met with proportionate force. I’d say call in an airstrike if I was in charge, but I confess I may be going a little over the top. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/581 "2020-07-06T18:42:04Z")
Just got the video to play. Two observations: 1. Trent Somes is one brave pastor. 2. That cop was a complete dick – calling on Somes to de-escalate instead of the dozens of MAGAts berating him. I sincerely hope this was his last weekend on the job. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/582 "2020-07-06T18:43:16Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > (Although I am curious about the numbers. If there were two cops and “scores” of armed bikers, what else could they have done? Called in massive reinforcements and provoked a riot by attempting to arrest the lot? As fun as that might have been to watch …) > > Yes. > > That is the response that Dear Leader Trump has called for when there are disruptive protesters. **These Marching Militia Morons should have been pepper sprayed and shot with rubber bullets.** And if they had fired a shot, they should have been met with proportionate force. > > I’d say call in an airstrike if I was in charge, but I confess I may be going a little over the top. Bolding mine. Full agreement. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/583 "2020-07-06T18:52:27Z")
> [@Jeff\_Lichtman](#): > > I don’t doubt that’s true, but could you provide a link? > > Thanks. > **[Right-Wing Militias Found No Antifa Event at Gettysburg—So Harassed a Man in...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/right-wing-militias-found-no-antifa-event-at-gettysburgso-harassed-a-man-in-a-cemetery-instead)** > > Police escorted the man out of the Gettysburg National Cemetery where he had been visiting the grave of an ancestor. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/584 "2020-07-06T18:54:48Z")
According to an unnamed ex-White House official, the White House has decided their best course of action is to just pretend there is no pandemic. [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/wh-hoping-americans-will-just-grow-numb-to-rising-covid-19-death-toll](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/wh-hoping-americans-will-just-grow-numb-to-rising-covid-19-death-toll) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/585 "2020-07-06T18:59:39Z")
I have already been given a peek into the new messaging from another board I frequent: “People die all the time. Get over it. The important thing is to get our economy rolling again.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=30)