# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/606 "2020-07-06T22:35:01Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Horrendous, vindictive, pointless. Those words are the "liberté, egalité, fraternité, " of the Trump presidency. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/607 "2020-07-06T22:39:02Z")
Perhaps I’d say “cruauté, fragilité, stupidité” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/608 "2020-07-07T00:07:44Z")
Trump vows to protect the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Rio de Janeiro from protestors. It is 125 feet tall, and weighs 625 tons. > **[Trump Camp Vows to Protect Brazil’s Most Iconic Statue From Left Wing Mobs](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-camp-vows-to-protect-brazils-most-iconic-statue-from-left-wing-mobs?ref=wrap)** > > A new ad warns that the famous Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro is under threat. It’s unclear if this is even true or how the president would actually save it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/609 "2020-07-07T00:27:36Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > They’ll divert to hating China, because that’s what he’s telling them to do. I still feel we’re approaching the point where Trump’s followers will stop listening to him tell them to blame the government and for them to start seeing him as the government. Trump’s brought it on himself. He’s created a movement of people that look for somebody to blame, that are told not to trust anyone, that are told the government is full of corruption, that are told that people who promise to help you are really going to betray you, and that conspiracies are all over the place. At some point his movement will inevitably turn on him. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/610 "2020-07-07T00:30:08Z")
“I think the world is looking at us as a leader in Covid-19,” McEnany said during the White House briefing. I don’t think that means what she thinks it means, but she’s not wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/611 "2020-07-07T00:36:29Z")
The people of Ubeckibeckibeckibeckistanstan would be heartbroken. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/612 "2020-07-07T00:52:37Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Your numbers are incorrect. He has gotten as low as -15.5% recently (compared to -17 during the shutdown of '18/19 and as low as -20 in summer '17), but has not gone under -16 yet. His approval rating is in the 40s, disapproval in the 50s. Is your estimate wishful thinking, or did I miss a staff meeting? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/613 "2020-07-07T01:14:42Z")
It’s at about 56-41 now, which is -15. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/614 "2020-07-07T01:19:18Z")
Oh, I foresee a lot of that slight bounce will go away once school starts. The inadequate levels of testing for the pandemic, older teachers not showing up, finding out how funding will be missing to just match what the AAP recommends for reopening schools; all that and other issues will bring the incompetency and clear gross underfunding of schools at the federal level and in states where governors opened too soon into the limelight, it will hit less well-to-do parents and voters hard around August and September. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/615 "2020-07-07T03:17:00Z")
Wait until the evictions and foreclosures start. Wait until there’s 40 million homeless Americans who can’t afford enough food. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/616 "2020-07-07T05:49:16Z")
They will blame Antifa. Or Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/617 "2020-07-07T06:07:50Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Your numbers are incorrect. He has gotten as low as -15.5% recently (compared to -17 during the shutdown of '18/19 and as low as -20 in summer '17), but has not gone under -16 yet. June 30 2020: 40.3 Approval vs 56.4 disapproval net -16.1. Trust me I’ve been watching his approval ratings like a vulture. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/618 "2020-07-07T06:56:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They will blame Antifa. Or Obama. No, Trump will tell them to blame Antifa or Obama. But the muttering will begin. People will start saying _“It wasn’t Antifa that told me I didn’t need to wear a mask. It wasn’t Obama that told me to go to a protest rally. It wasn’t China that promised me this disease would disappear all on its own. I’m starting to think I been lied to.”_ Trump’s been telling his followers for four years that whenever you have a problem, the first thing you need to do is find somebody you can blame for it. And that’s what they’re going to do. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/619 "2020-07-07T08:24:13Z")
Yeah, I’m thinking that if they were going to pull their heads out of their asses, they would have done so by several months ago, if not earlier. So nope. These people won’t blame Trump, and if reality starts _forcing_ them to blame Trump they’ll just lunge in the other direction and go full conspiracy theory. Being maskless didn’t cause the surge, it was antifa and the Jews salting the water with virus grown in their martian pedo pizza parlors. Don’t construct a worldview predicated on these people ever being anything other than worthless corrosive piles of shit; if you do you will be disappointed every time. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/620 "2020-07-07T12:16:09Z")
The Lincoln Project continues to make some extraordinary video attack ads designed to get under trump’s thin skin. This video, “Whispers”, is clearly designed for an audience of one-- I don’t see it putting the final nail in the coffin for former trump supporters who are on the fence; it may actually make them feel sorry for him. Hell, I almost felt sorry for him after I watched it. ALMOST: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/bk6d4TgO2NY/maxresdefault.jpg "Whispers") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6d4TgO2NY) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/621 "2020-07-07T13:12:36Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Yeah, I’m thinking that if they were going to pull their heads out of their asses, they would have done so by several months ago, if not earlier. Trump only recently started killing his own followers. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/622 "2020-07-07T13:27:45Z")
> [@solost](#): > > This video, “Whispers”, is clearly designed for an audience of one Nice. McGovern in ‘72 could have used this…or, actually, not, since all that was already buzzing around in Nixon’s brain, ad or no ad. (And with Nixon, it was less tethered to reality — this time, the whispers really are out there more). ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/623 "2020-07-07T13:38:50Z")
Here’s an interesting article surmising why the Lincoln Project ads may be more effective than Dem-created ads: > **[What the Lincoln Project Ad Makers Get About Voters (and What Dems Don’t)](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/06/lincoln-project-ads-republicans-democrats-349184)** > > The Republicans of the Lincoln Project might have an advantage over Trump’s left-leaning opponents. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/624 "2020-07-07T13:52:39Z")
> [@solost](#): > > The Lincoln Project continues to make some extraordinary video attack ads designed to get under trump’s thin skin. This video, “Whispers”, is clearly designed for an audience of one-- I don’t see it putting the final nail in the coffin for former trump supporters who are on the fence; it may actually make them feel sorry for him. Hell, I almost felt sorry for him after I watched it. ALMOST: > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=74&v=bk6d4TgO2NY&feature=emb\_logo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=74&v=bk6d4TgO2NY&feature=emb_logo) I love most of their ads but I think this one’s a misfire – it plays into the paranoid narrative that Trump’s failings are due to others being out to get him, and since most of its insinuations are not, in fact, true, it calls into question the credibility of the whole campaign. Why not just continue the focus on what an incredibly shitty president he is? ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/625 "2020-07-07T13:58:26Z")
Why not just continue the focus on what an incredibly shitty president he is? Well the reason is because that relies on facts, and the article on the Lincoln project suggests that the Trump targetted voters rely much more on emotion and bias rather than actual information. Facts can be ignored, denied, raw emotions and bias happens unconsciously and are much more difficult to deal with unless you are more open minded. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=32)