# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 312
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6240 "2020-11-11T05:49:28Z")
Scroll down a bit. It’s fake. > ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6241 "2020-11-11T05:55:35Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Scroll down a bit. It’s fake. Damn. I missed that. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6242 "2020-11-11T06:28:55Z")
Covid hospitalizations are at an all-time high in the USA and the worthless sack of shit dithers. Fuck him and his failed presidency. Drop dead, Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6243 "2020-11-11T07:08:50Z")
He’s also not providing intelligence briefings to Biden’s team. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6244 "2020-11-11T11:21:41Z")
Eric Trump “Becomes” Twitter Laughingstock? That implies there was some point at which Eric Trump wasn’t a laughingstock. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > He’s the sort who will leave butt flowers on the wall “Butt flowers”? Never mind - I _really_ don’t want to know. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6245 "2020-11-11T13:36:14Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > He’s also not providing intelligence briefings to Biden’s team. Well, that would be impossible for Trump to do. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6246 "2020-11-11T14:43:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > He’s also not providing intelligence briefings to Biden’s team. CIte? The last I saw on CNN (probably Monday) they commented that Biden and his transition team _were_ receiving the daily intelligence brief. It was part of the story about his beefed Secret Service detail and the launching of his transition team (albeit without the money they should be getting). ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6247 "2020-11-11T14:53:06Z")
I thought even presidential candidates who have not yet won election get the intelligence briefs. Biden should definitely be getting at least that, although if trump could stop it I bet he would!! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6248 "2020-11-11T15:02:16Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > > > He’s also not providing intelligence briefings to Biden’s team. > > Well, that would be impossible for Trump to do. “Intelligence” briefings, not “intelligent” briefings, which of course Trump could not do. > [@Zakalwe](#): > > CIte? The last I saw on CNN (probably Monday) they commented that Biden and his transition team _were_ receiving the daily intelligence brief. It was part of the story about his beefed Secret Service detail and the launching of his transition team (albeit without the money they should be getting). According to NPR and other sources, as of yesterday, Biden was NOT receiving the briefings: > **[Biden Should Be Getting Top-Level Intelligence Briefings, But He Isn't](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933374321/biden-should-be-getting-top-level-intelligence-briefings-but-he-isnt)** > > President Trump has not accepted the election results, and his administration has not yet authorized Biden and his team to start receiving government resources — including intelligence briefings. The petulant man-child is thus jeopardizing national security, since he himself can’t or won’t read, and is at any rate incompetent and doesn’t give a shit. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6249 "2020-11-11T15:03:38Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > CIte? The last I saw on CNN (probably Monday) they commented that Biden and his transition team _were_ receiving the daily intelligence brief. It was part of the story about his beefed Secret Service detail and the launching of his transition team (albeit without the money they should be getting). No – I heard this morning that they weren’t getting them. Here are some reports > **[Biden not getting intel reports because Trump officials deny he won](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-not-getting-intelligence-reports-because-trump-officials-won-t-n1247294)** > > Biden transition officials confirmed the president-elect is not receiving the President's Daily Brief, the intel report that goes to senior U.S. officials. > **[Biden Should Be Getting Top-Level Intelligence Briefings, But He Isn't](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933374321/biden-should-be-getting-top-level-intelligence-briefings-but-he-isnt)** > > President Trump has not accepted the election results, and his administration has not yet authorized Biden and his team to start receiving government resources — including intelligence briefings. > **[How Trump’s Refusal to Concede Affects Biden’s National Security Transition...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/biden-security-transition.html)** > > President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. has yet to receive a presidential daily briefing, and it was unclear whether his team would have access to classified information. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6250 "2020-11-11T15:04:48Z")
Oh wow. That’s bad. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6251 "2020-11-11T15:05:00Z")
What’s weird is that he _was_ receiving briefings during the summer. This is dated July 17 > **[Joe Biden Says He’s Receiving Intelligence Briefings Again and Warns of...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-says-hes-receiving-intelligence-briefings-again-and-warns-of-russian-chinese-election-interference)** > > “The Russians are still engaged in trying to delegitimize our electoral process. Fact,” Biden said at a Friday fundraiser. ---
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6252 "2020-11-11T15:08:09Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Oh wow. That’s bad. If Biden gets the Trump briefing, it shouldn’t matter. TRUMP BRIEFING: Antifa → BAD Democrat → BAD Trump → GOOD!!!@###@ If he gets a real intelligence briefing then I would agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6253 "2020-11-11T15:13:54Z")
That’s why I thought he would still be getting them. I think I remember that Hillary and trump were both getting briefings in 2016 as just candidates. But of course that was back in the olden days when a crazy petty tyrant was NOT at the helm. I wonder if Biden makes it to certification/safe harbor date despite trumpian shenanigans, will he be “ascertained,” or will trump shut him out until Biden is inaugurated? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6254 "2020-11-11T15:14:19Z")
I think the key word is “top level”. IIRC, All candidates start getting some sort of security briefing once they win their primaries. That’s standard and if that hadn’t happened I think we would’ve heard about it. But I think they are supposed to start getting more detailed info once they are President-Elect and that’s what the baby is holding up. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6255 "2020-11-11T15:16:18Z")
So I guess there’s nobody to make the baby “ascertain” Biden until Inauguration Day. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6256 "2020-11-11T16:01:15Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The petulant man-child is thus jeopardizing national security, since he himself can’t or won’t read, and is at any rate incompetent and doesn’t give a shit. Just to add to the point, since I can’t go back and add to my previous post … below is a good summary of Trump’s own chaotic transition in 2016, which can be briefly summarized as follows: he didn’t believe he needed one at all, and had to be reminded that it was required by law (to which his response was “I don’t give a fuck about the law”). He felt he could just ooze into the Oval Office and start doing whatever the hell he wanted. The real money quote about the transition, which comes from Bannon, applies equally to Trump’s entire presidency: “I was fucking nervous as shit,” Bannon later told friends. “I go, **‘Holy fuck, this guy [Trump] doesn’t know anything. And he doesn’t give a shit.’**” > **[‘This guy doesn’t know anything’: the inside story of Trump’s shambolic...](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/27/this-guy-doesnt-know-anything-the-inside-story-of-trumps-shambolic-transition-team)** > > Michael Lewis, author of Moneyball and The Big Short, reveals how Trump’s bungled presidential transition set the template for his time in the White House ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6257 "2020-11-11T16:12:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1’s legal team put out a Tweet claiming that they don’t work for him, nor his campaign, but for the Republican Party. But they made it so that nobody could reply to their tweet. I’ll take them at their word. It’s one more reason – as if I needed any – to never vote for a Republican again. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6258 "2020-11-11T16:17:11Z")
bookmarked, shared, spread ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6259 "2020-11-11T16:42:49Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > So I guess there’s nobody to make the baby “ascertain” Biden until Inauguration Day. Who’s gonna make him do it even then? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=311) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=313)