# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 313
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6260 "2020-11-11T16:50:38Z")
Do former presidents get top-level intelligence reports? If so, that door needs to be slammed shut on Jan. 20th. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6261 "2020-11-11T17:02:13Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > That’s why I thought he would still be getting them. I think I remember that Hillary and trump were both getting briefings in 2016 as just candidates. But of course that was back in the olden days when a crazy petty tyrant was NOT at the helm. I think what you guys are missing is that as a presidential candidate Biden was entitled to those intelligence briefings but in Trump world he stopped being a candidate on November 3rd. At that point he lost the election and was no longer entitled to briefings just like assume Obama wasn’t giving them to Clinton on November 11th 2016. It’s crazy destructive to the country but that is totally on brand for trump and his supporters. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6262 "2020-11-11T17:08:46Z")
[![](https://media.makeameme.org/created/please-respect-our-bd0c532dd2.jpg) ](https://media.makeameme.org/created/please-respect-our-bd0c532dd2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6263 "2020-11-11T17:58:52Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Do former presidents get top-level intelligence reports? If so, that door needs to be slammed shut on Jan. 20th. If they normally do, Biden should revoke his security clearance, just like he did to John Brennan. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6264 "2020-11-11T18:03:00Z")
On the other hand, Trump doesn’t pay attention now. What’s the chance he will even want the briefings after he’s gone? (other than to transmit to Putin) ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6265 "2020-11-11T18:04:18Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > If they normally do, Biden should revoke his security clearance, just like he did to John Brennan. That would actually be for the good of the country. He should revoke Javanka’s ill-gotten clearances too. Republicans would say it was a partisan move, but isn’t it enough that they all have 4 years’ worth of secrets to sell? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6266 "2020-11-11T18:05:40Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > On the other hand, Trump doesn’t pay attention now. What’s the chance he will even want the briefings after he’s gone? (other than to transmit to Putin) You know he’ll be bitching and moaning over everything Biden does. Trump is craven and stupid enough to use classified materials carelessly. He shouldn’t have access to anything at all once his fat ass hits the pavement. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6267 "2020-11-11T19:51:38Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > > [@Turek](#): > > > > If they normally do, Biden should revoke his security clearance, just like he did to John Brennan. > > That would actually be for the good of the country. He should revoke Javanka’s ill-gotten clearances too. Republicans would say it was a partisan move, but isn’t it enough that they all have 4 years’ worth of secrets to sell? It would be better optics for him to direct his national security department heads to review the clearances, with an eye toward assessing the advisability of confirming their continuing validity, and then act in accordance with their recommendations. That is, it wouldn’t be the President personally ordering the revocations, but the persons with the appropriately delegated authority doing so. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6268 "2020-11-11T19:53:39Z")
and it would be entirely inline with what the current ‘adminstration’ does with reviewing prior administrations clearances. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6269 "2020-11-11T21:05:58Z")
One of the Individual 1 campaign lawyers admitted in court to a judge that they are not alleging fraud in a particular Pennsylvania case involving 592 ballots. > **[Trump Lawyer Admits to Judge: We're Not Alleging Fraud | Law & Crime](https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/lawyers-litigating-for-trump-suddenly-remember-their-licenses-are-on-the-line-if-they-lie-to-a-judge/)** > > There's a big difference between a) waving around a stack of affidavits in a safe space and b) bringing your claims before a judge. We saw that difference on Tuesday in the Trump campaign's case in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6270 "2020-11-11T21:11:10Z")
There are presumably different levels of security, with the president having the most immediate access to the most sensitive material. Biden’s getting some of that intel, just like senators and congressional reps with authorization might. But what specific assets are doing 24/hr a day or when Putin goes for his afternoon swim with polar bears…that’s probably deep within the IC. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6271 "2020-11-11T21:37:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > One of the Individual 1 campaign lawyers admitted in court to a judge that they are not alleging fraud in a particular Pennsylvania case involving 592 ballots. > [Trump Lawyer Admits to Judge: We're Not Alleging Fraud | Law & Crime](https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/lawyers-litigating-for-trump-suddenly-remember-their-licenses-are-on-the-line-if-they-lie-to-a-judge/) This is perfectly in keeping with everything Trump ever does. Everything is just a performance. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6272 "2020-11-11T21:47:06Z")
Here’s a tough transition question - how long does Biden let the White House “air out” before moving in? And I’m only halfway joking. Can you imagine how COVID-ridden that place is? What are the odds that a few COVID-positive Republicans purposely lick the doorknobs and cough everywhere before their departure? ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6273 "2020-11-11T22:01:05Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > how long does Biden let the White House “air out” before moving in? Should probably “tent” and fumigate the White House for a week or two. And not just because of Covid. ETA Should bring in a Shaman and a Catholic priest to purge the WH of evil spirits, too. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6274 "2020-11-11T22:16:20Z")
And publicly have any toilets that Donald and Melania used taken out and replaced. Just to fuck with their heads ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6275 "2020-11-11T22:17:25Z")
Well, the cheap golden electroplating is probably wearing off by now anyway and looks like crap. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6276 "2020-11-11T22:41:09Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Here’s a tough transition question - how long does Biden let the White House “air out” before moving in? And I’m only halfway joking. Can you imagine how COVID-ridden that place is? What are the odds that a few COVID-positive Republicans purposely lick the doorknobs and cough everywhere before their departure? [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/The_Shell_of_the_White_House_during_the_Renovation-05-17-1950.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/The_Shell_of_the_White_House_during_the_Renovation-05-17-1950.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6277 "2020-11-11T23:37:31Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Should bring in a Shaman and a Catholic priest to purge the WH of evil spirits, too. I was thinking that a whole boatload of priests, ministers, rabbis, shamans, imams, and wiccans should be rounded up. Enough so that they can all hold hands and encircle the WH while sage smudge sticks and Catholic incense are burned and the smoke wafted toward the building with non-endangered bird feathers. Some chanting, crystal sucking, and rosary-saying would probably be in order, too. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6278 "2020-11-11T23:40:30Z")
As a secular-minded guy, I’d send in an army of pest controllers instead. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6279 "2020-11-11T23:45:56Z")
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