# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 328
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6560 "2020-11-17T06:22:42Z")
I am having Trump-bashing withdrawal syndrome. So much time spent over the last years, worrying about what he was going to do, or not do. Waiting for that one thing that would lower his approval rating enough to ensure he would not be re-elected. But we did not win. And while there is still some concern about what stupid thing he might do until Jan 20, I just don’t know what that would be. A lot of worry is about COVID and Biden and his team not being given information, but there is no information for them to receive. There is no plan for distrubution of the vaccine, if we get one soon . As for foreign policy, we just heard today about Trump considering bombing Iran, but it didn’t happen. Is he going to withdraw the US from NATO? Easily reversed, just like Paris Climate Accord. I have been following this thread for some time now, has it been two years already? Will have to look up to see when I first became a member. But we fucking won ! We did! In six months, I predict Trump will be completely irrevelent. Maybe he will have a hugely popular TV network (for about 2 months) or an online network. But those people are already in the cult . We will follow the multitude of lawsuits and criminal prosecutions of him and maybe his family. Will follow that gleefully, I hope they go to jail, or at least are fined millions. But that will be at least a couple of years from now, by then we wil have forgotten them To get back to my first sentence, as a political junkie, what will I spend my time on going forward? A Biden Administration: A New Day for America, or The Biden Administration: Return to the Normacly of Neo-Liberalism? or the Biden Administration: A Disapointment in the Making (Because of McConnell-led Rerpublican interference and/or wimpy Democratic support for progressive change). I’ll bet on the latter. I will always bet on wimpy Democrats. But if that becomes so, at the very least I will not be raging because we are going backward, but baecause we not moving forward. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6561 "2020-11-17T06:24:41Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > You are using #6547 Not on my phone. It’s showing #6529 now. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6562 "2020-11-17T06:28:15Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Huh??? As I respond to this post, I’m using #6526. I’m damned if I can figure it out. If I refer to a prior post whether my own or someone else’s, I think it would be more accurate to say, “So-and-so’s post number somewhere-in-the-neighborhood of…” because it’s always off. I use the Vincent skin and figured it was just a little buggy. Is there some way to tell _exactly_ which post # I’m looking at? I usually use the slider to the right of the post list. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6563 "2020-11-17T06:30:04Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > But we did not win Edit after the edit window - We did win. He was defeated ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6564 "2020-11-17T06:33:50Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I am having Trump-bashing withdrawal syndrome. Don’t you worry, dear. I predict we are going to have Trump-bashing for years, if not decades, to come. The full depth of his corruption and criming, whatever antics he can drum up in his efforts to avoid prison, his dog-and-pony sideshows, the court cases he loses, his arrest(s) and those of his corrupt family members, the seedy details of his tax returns… shall I go on? Hell, we’re still not done bashing bloody Nixon – and I was a nubile young thing when he was originally news. Nixon’s crimes were like baby steps compared to all that Trump has done. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6565 "2020-11-17T06:36:51Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I use the Vincent skin and figured it was just a little buggy. Is there some way to tell _exactly_ which post # I’m looking at? I usually use the slider to the right of the post list. Note the time-stamp at the upper-right corner of the post, telling either how old the post is or the date it was posted. Click on that. You not only see the post number, but you get a link to the post that you can copy to somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6566 "2020-11-17T06:36:58Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Is there some way to tell _exactly_ which post # I’m looking at? Click on the time in the upper right of the post. The post number will appear. ETA: Ninja-ed! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6567 "2020-11-17T06:37:26Z")
Beat ya to it! ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6568 "2020-11-17T06:38:17Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Beat ya to it!  Only because I let you! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6569 "2020-11-17T06:38:35Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Note the time-stamp at the upper-right corner of the post, telling either how old the post is or the date it was posted. Click on that. You not only see the post number, but you get a link to the post that you can copy to somewhere else. Thank you very much, and to you, too, @needscoffee! That is going to save me a lot of aggravation! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6570 "2020-11-17T09:26:40Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@Aspenglow](#): > > > > Is there some way to tell _exactly_ which post # I’m looking at? > > Click on the time in the upper right of the post. The post number will appear. > > ETA: Ninja-ed! Then what the fuck are these numbers taking up real estate on my screen? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6571 "2020-11-17T11:38:14Z")
I just noticed that that slider bar is worthless, isn’t it? It currently tells me I’m on 6558 of 6559, while in point of fact we are at something like 6570. Thought it might be because my window has been open overnight, so reloaded. The address bar references post 6569 in thread 911083 (I’m assuming those are thread and post numbers), but the slider is still stuck on 6559. ETA - this is post 6571, and the slider updated to 6560 of 6560. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6572 "2020-11-17T12:15:09Z")
I suspect that deleted posts are contained in the post count url found in the time, but the slider is only counting visible posts. So @Folacin’s post should be seen as visible post 6560 out of 6571 total posts. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6573 "2020-11-17T12:45:52Z")
Neither Trump nor his followers consider what he’s doing embarrassing – this is their big, tough hero fighting the good fight against the deep state/corrupt liberals/whatever. They love this, and it gives them an excuse to not accept the election results, or, if they must accept them, they can pretend it’s not because the majority of Americans voted against him, it’s because of voter fraud. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6574 "2020-11-17T12:55:55Z")
Sour Grapes Department > [@](#): > > **Trump admin is rushing to build more border fencing before Biden is inaugurated** > > Impeached president Donald Trump lost the election (it feels great to write that), but his stupid and racist border fencing construction continues (it doesn’t feel great to write that). In fact, NPR [reports](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/15/935112312/what-will-happen-to-trumps-border-wall-after-biden-is-inaugurated) that not only is construction continuing, the administration is rushing to build as much as possible before Joe Biden is sworn in on January 20. [The president-elect has vowed to end construction.](https://joebiden.com/immigration/#) > > The outgoing administration’s rush includes seizing more property from landowners in Texas, where a significant portion of the border area is privately owned. “We’re still seeing filings,” Texas Civil Rights Project attorney Roberto Lopez [told](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/15/935112312/what-will-happen-to-trumps-border-wall-after-biden-is-inaugurated) NPR. “We’re still seeing this happen. And the government isn’t stopping or slowing. It seems like they’re trying to speed up.” > **[Trump admin is rushing to build more border fencing before Biden is inaugurated](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996147/-Trump-admin-is-rushing-to-build-more-border-fencing-before-Biden-is-inaugurated)** > > Impeached president Donald Trump lost the election (it feels great to write that), but his stupid and racist border fencing construction continues (it doesn’t feel great to write that). In fact, NPR reports that not only is... ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6575 "2020-11-17T13:09:19Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > There is no plan for distrubution of the vaccine, if we get one soon . If it’s any comfort, [60 Minutes did an interview](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-distribution-60-minutes-2020-11-08/) with [General Gus Perna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_F._Perna), the man in charge of vaccine distribution once one (or more) is approved and manufactured. He was in charge of logistics for the Army before being tapped for this, and he seems to be on top of it all. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6576 "2020-11-17T13:30:51Z")
Careful here - or you’ll be subpeoned by Gulligani as evidence of vote tampering - ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6577 "2020-11-17T13:42:56Z")
This just popped into my head. Sort of an almost Golden Oldie from a few years past _Al the Dems down in DemLand_ _Liked Biden a Lot_ _But the Trump, who lived in the White House_ _Did NOT._ _He hated the Biden,_ _The whole Democrat seizin’_ _Please don’t ask me why_ _No one quite knows the reason_ _It could be, his bone spurs were too tight_ _It could be his hair wasn’t taped on quite right_ _But I think that the likeliest reason of all_ _May have been that his heart simply wasn’t there at all._ _But whatever the reason, his Hair or his Spurs_ _He sat in his White House, hating those curs._ He tries to prevent Inauguration Day from coming by various nefarious means, but he finds that “Inauguration Day Came … It came just the same!” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6578 "2020-11-17T13:48:15Z")
Yeah, and this is where the Bernistas were off the mark as well. TPP, like any trade agreement, probably had its flaws, but it also gave us some bargaining power with China. Not only is that bargaining power lost, but other countries - even those that are wary of China - are moving toward China and away from the US, and that probably includes Japan. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6579 "2020-11-17T13:49:17Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I heard a story on this recently but can’t find it online; the gist is that Trump will continue to “earn” hundreds of thousands by moving from one of his properties to another, charging the Secret Service through the nose for their rooms, use of golf carts when they follow him around on the course, etc.—as he’s been doing all throughout his presidency. I’m sure this has been speculated on before, and I know it’s VERY unlikely he will face any prison time, however much he may deserve it, but what if private citizen trump did end up in prison-- how would his Secret Service protection work in that case, I wonder? Would a couple Secret Service agents have to be inside with him at all times, to make sure he doesn’t get shanked in the hallway? Or would the prison guards assume the protection duties of the Secret Service in that case? To try to answer my own question, I’m guessing even if in the extreme case that he was actually imprisoned, it would be one of those very low-security country club prisons where getting shanked would be very unlikely. But most likely if he lost any degree of freedom it would be a house arrest situation. Still, it’s fun to speculate on what an imprisoned trump situation would be like 😁 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=327) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=329)