# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 335
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6700 "2020-11-19T20:40:20Z")
In his speech today, Rudy was sweating profusely, there are videos of his hair dye dripping down the side of his face. He also hinted that they’re about to start trying to overturn Virginia. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6701 "2020-11-19T20:49:02Z")
The two Wayne County Republicans who refused to certify the election, then changed their minds after an uproar, got calls from Individual 1 last night and this morning tried to uncertify again, after the certification had already been sent on to the state. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6702 "2020-11-19T20:52:05Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > He also hinted that they’re about to start trying to overturn Virginia. Didn’t they try that already, like 150 years ago? Seems that was over them pitching a fit over a democratically elected president. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6703 "2020-11-19T21:08:01Z")
A former Individual 1 speechwriter who was fired for his dealings with white supremacists has been appointed to the board that oversees Holocaust memorials. > **[A Trump speechwriter who was sacked in 2018 for meeting white nationalists...](https://www.businessinsider.com/darren-beattie-trump-speechwriter-white-nationalist-ties-rehired-holocaust-memorials-2020-11)** > > President Donald Trump appointed Darren Beattie to join the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6704 "2020-11-19T23:01:58Z")
Yeah, probably a CYA reversal, but this can still do damage, particularly as this becomes a tactic employed over and over again. Meanwhile here’s the official twitter feed from one of the two major parties in this country: > “We won in a landslide!” “Facts are lies!” “Lies are facts!” Good God, what the hell? ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6705 "2020-11-20T03:38:42Z")
My sister texted me with plans for the Thanksgiving get together. I replied that due to the Covid spike I was not attending any holiday gatherings. Honestly, it was about 10% Covid worry and about 90% not wanting to be alone in a huge group of Trumpy Republicans. I am afraid that if they start spouting the righty nonsense I would absolutely lose my shit and say things that could not be unsaid. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6706 "2020-11-20T03:42:21Z")
I don’t know if it was worth the global pandemic and all that came with it, but having a good excuse to not attend Thanksgiving with my trumpy family is a bit of a silver lining. Especially this year. My mother has been spamming my in-box with conspiracy crap as it is. I don’t think I could handle it in person. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6707 "2020-11-20T03:56:44Z")
I am very lukcy in that respect, because while many in my family support Trump, we just don’t discuss politics. But I am still not going to go to any Thanksgiving dinner. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6708 "2020-11-20T04:40:12Z")
But…the whole time you are with them aren’t you thinking “these are the people that did this to my country”? Even if politics is never mentioned, and it hasn’t been in the last few gatherings with my family, there is the constant awareness that these are the people that are bringing (or hoping to) an autocratic Trump cult to another term in power? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6709 "2020-11-20T05:29:14Z")
In my family, there is no belief that the election was stolen. As to their support of Trump, it is because they are woefully misinformed. They get all their information from FOX et al. And yes, they have a responsibilty to look at other sources for their information. But to a certain extent we are all in our own bubble. When was the last time you read an article from Forbes, or National Review, and really thought that maybe the conservatives had a point? Not about Trump the man, just on an issue that you had a liberal belief about. I like to think I can look at an issue and be objective about it. And I try, but when I read such articles I immediately start arguinig against them. Trump supporters, which really means Republican supporters, do the same thing. People support Trump because of his positions and because he is defending the country from becomming the Soviet Union. But they have no idea what a liar, con man, selfish (insert a dozen adjectives) idiot Trump is. They have no idea how dangerouse he is. IF politics did come up in a discussion, I would point out all of those things. But to what end? The absolute best result would be to convince them that they should not have supported Trump, should have supported him being removed from office earlier this year. Pence, a true Christian man since he was a teenager (in _their eyes_, describing Pence as anything other than a snycopahtic liar is a joke) would probably have won this election. I really do believe that, but that could be another, interesting thread ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6710 "2020-11-20T06:28:25Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > > [@CalMeacham](#): > > > > When Trump has to come up with a time frame for just about anything, he seems that his g-to span is two weeks > > Two weeks would be a regular miracle. > > [https://youtu.be/lJhHjACjJjA](https://youtu.be/lJhHjACjJjA) I found the perfect description of his timeframes. [“Ain’t this place a geographical oddity? Two weeks from everywhere”](https://youtu.be/l6MUtatvdDI) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6711 "2020-11-20T06:35:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 claims victory in Nevada because one county commissioner vote in Clark County is rerunning because the difference in votes was 10, and there were enough errors that the margin of error is greater than 10. Somehow this proves he actually won Nevada. > [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/technology/no-trump-did-not-win-in-nevada.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/technology/no-trump-did-not-win-in-nevada.html) That’s the kind of Nevada math that loses you a casino. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6712 "2020-11-20T08:14:31Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I really hope he’s getting paid the $20,000 a day from the Trump campaign for that kind of comedy gold. One tweet quoted over at Raw Story said: “I’m not sure Trump is getting his money’s worth.” ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6713 "2020-11-20T10:58:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > God says, “Joe Biden won the electoral college 306 to 232, fair and square. There was no fraud.” > > The other MAGAt turns to the first one and says, “This goes even higher up than we thought.” And with this quote, I can’t resist pointing out the parallel with the 1954 radio play [_The Investigator_ by Reuben Ship](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4sUlmJC6iw) (YouTube link, 59 minutes), a parody of the Joseph McCarthy hearings, in which the Investigator ultimately accuses The Chief of being at the heart of a great conspiracy. This play seems oddly timely once again. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6714 "2020-11-20T13:37:11Z")
The difference between now and then is that, back then, there was a respected dude named Dwight D. Eisenhower who was the leader of the party and he fucking hated McCarthy and put a stop to his nonsense. Now “McCarthy” is the president, and nobody dares to cross him. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6715 "2020-11-20T13:55:26Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > When was the last time you read an article from Forbes, or National Review, and really thought that maybe the conservatives had a point? The thing is, I often focus not on the content of such articles, but the _tactics_. If I see someone throwing around straw men like it’s twister time on the Yellow Brick Road, along with the ABC’s of Fallacies 101, that by itself is highly likely going to make me disregard that source no matter where they fall on the political spectrum. That it is usually the RW sites doing that is almost immaterial. [Yes, there are a few left-leaning sites that I now avoid, for the same rationale] Of the two that you mentioned, the NR does this shit a LOT more often than Forbes does. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6716 "2020-11-20T14:18:13Z")
I make it a practice to see a variety of news perspectives, though I do stick toward the middle of the accuracy chart. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6717 "2020-11-20T14:20:31Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > When was the last time you read an article from Forbes, or National Review, and really thought that maybe the conservatives had a point? Not about Trump the man, just on an issue that you had a liberal belief about. I like to think I can look at an issue and be objective about it. Well, since 2016 they’re been railing against Trump, so I find myself agreeing, at least in part, with a lot of their stuff. But you specifically exempt Trump stuff. When I pick up National Review and read it I get the same feeling I used to reading pieces by William F. Buckley (who started NR, after all). It’s intelligent and insightful and erudite and I can follow them along perfectly willingly until they get to the point where their basic assumptions are radically different from my own, and I watch them smoothly go sailing off the edge of the cliff. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6718 "2020-11-20T15:50:34Z")
Rick “Voldemort” Scott has the 'rona: > **[Florida Republican senator says he has Covid-19 | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/politics/rick-scott-florida-covid-19/index.html)** > > Republican Sen. Rick Scott of Florida said in a statement Friday morning he has tested positive with Covid-19, adding to the number of lawmakers in recent days that have tested positive with the virus. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6719 "2020-11-20T16:44:48Z")
[quote=“Mike\_Mabes, post:6709, topic:911083, full:true”] In my family, there is no belief that the election was stolen. As to their support of Trump, it is because they are woefully misinformed. They get all their information from FOX et al. And yes, they have a responsibilty to look at other sources for their information. But to a certain extent we are all in our own bubble. When was the last time you read an article from Forbes, or National Review, and really thought that maybe the conservatives had a point? [/quote] I look at National Review frequently and I sometimes agree with their articles. Not just articles like this one. I quote this one frequently because it’s from a conservative source > **[The Right’s Grifter Problem | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-real-problem-conservatism-faces-today/)** > > No, the answer is not David French. Of course, their front page today is chock full of articles I agree with > **[Trump’s Ugly Exit | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/trumps-ugly-exit/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=blog-post&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=more-in&utm_term=first)** > > He’s trampling the precedent of graceful departures by defeated U.S. presidents going back to John Adams. > **[‘The Dumbest Coup’ | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-dumbest-coup/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=second)** > > Noah Rothman’s excellent piece in Commentary deserves to be widely read. > **[The Insanity Oath | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-insanity-oath/)** > > People who have been ‘fraud-pilled’ in recent weeks have lost their heads. And they’ve put up more like this since I started this post. They really don’t like Trump’s antics. But you’re talking about actual policies, right? I’m going to agree with liberal policies much more frequently than I do conservative ones, because I’m a moderate liberal. But I’m not always in lockstep. One place where I’m more conservative is in my attitudes towards what I call “middle-class welfare”. Things like middle income affordable housing, one of the programs I hated when I lived in NYC. I’m also against student loan forgiveness and I agree with this article. > **[Don’t Forgive Student Debt | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/dont-forgive-student-debt/)** > > The Left has intensified its calls for Joe Biden to forgive student debt via executive order. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=334) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=336)