# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 339
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6781 "2020-11-22T02:56:23Z")
Article XII and Amendment III: the two forgotten provisions of the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6782 "2020-11-22T02:59:16Z")
OK, but would an executive just overturn all that immediately? Can a President just overrule the Supreme Court by signing a piece of paper? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6783 "2020-11-22T03:06:05Z")
No. The President can’t just overturn the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6784 "2020-11-22T03:07:07Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Just another example of the amazing constitutional powers of President Trump, being able to overrule the Supreme Court itself. I’m just responding to that. My understanding of executive orders is that they can be objections to current laws, or suggestions as to how they are carrried out, or adding some things to that, but they don’t have any weight, unless they are about something to do with national security. The President can order the National Guard in, but he can’t overturn existing law and precedent. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6785 "2020-11-22T03:12:17Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > How much weight would an order have? I’ve just read that it has never been confirmed by the Supreme Court nor passed by Federal law. So if he signs that order, is Kamala no longer a citizen until the courts affirm it, or does she remain a citizen until the courts say she is not? - [https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html](https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html) > Natural-born U.S. citizens may _not_ have their citizenship revoked against their will, since birthright citizenship is guaranteed by the [14th Amendment](https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14.html) to the Constitution, but they may choose to [renounce their citizenship](https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/renunciation-of-u-s-citizenship.html) on their own. Under the 14th Am. at the time she was born, Harris is a natural born citizen. Trump can’t alter that. Imagine the chaos if you could just “uncitizen” every single person who was born on US soil. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6786 "2020-11-22T03:18:03Z")
OK, back to what I thought. THere are certain things that a President could technically do that no President has ever done before and that has never been tested, oh damn I can’t think of the specific thing, I am sure it had to do with national security. Was it Truman and something about nationalizing the banks, or industry? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6787 "2020-11-22T03:22:54Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > OK, but would an executive just overturn all that immediately? Can a President just overrule the Supreme Court by signing a piece of paper? If he could, you know he’d have tried to do it to Obama by now. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6788 "2020-11-22T03:25:52Z")
Obama is partly what I am thinking about, he signed an order about DACA, and it did have some real world affects, can’t remember the details. Executive orders aren’t always totally meaningless ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6789 "2020-11-22T03:30:35Z")
“Stop the Steal” protesters in Atlanta today were threatening to destroy the Republican Party in Georgia, and boycott the Senate elections, or else write in Individual 1. I don’t see this is a lose at all. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6790 "2020-11-22T03:35:51Z")
Hell no it’s not a lose. I’ve been hoping since election day in 2016 that Trump would splinter the Republican Party. I thought, and predicted that it would be because of his general imcompetence, but this may be even better. I think there is, to use a common pharse lately on this board, a less than zero possibilty that many Republican voters will not turn out in 2024, because their vote will be wasted. Bring it on, fucking Proud Boys. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6791 "2020-11-22T03:39:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > or else write in Individual 1 I support this, but I have a question: Since both of these are runoff elections between the top two vote-getters, will there even be a spot to enter a name for a write-in? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6792 "2020-11-22T03:39:59Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > How much weight would an order have? As much weight, in terms of EOs, as Biden’s EO reversing it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6793 "2020-11-22T03:43:40Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Since both of these are runoff elections between the top two vote-getters, will there even be a spot to enter a name for a write-in? I can’t speak to GA’s laws, but here in Washington we do top-two open primaries and write-ins are certainly an option in the general. Both candidates for lieutenant governor this year were Democrats, so the Republicans urged their voters to vote for a write-in candidate (who, of course, only got 20% of the vote and came in third). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6794 "2020-11-22T04:25:00Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Was it Truman and something about nationalizing the banks, or industry? Steel seizure case: > **[Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown_Sheet_%26_Tube_Co._v._Sawyer)** > > Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952), also commonly referred to as the Steel Seizure Case or the Youngstown Steel case, was a landmark United States Supreme Court decision that limited the power of the President of the United States to seize private property. The case served as a check on the most far-reaching claims of executive power at the time and signaled the Court's increased willingness to intervene in political questions. > In the midst of the Korean War, the United... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6795 "2020-11-22T04:55:20Z")
Sorry, I’m only finding this on a Fox website. Tom Posnanski, the elections commissioner of Milwaukee County, is claiming that the Individual 1 poll watchers are acting in bad faith and actually interfering with the recount. > **[Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-officials-trump-observers-obstructing-recount)** > > Election officials in Wisconsin said Saturday that Trump poll watchers were “obstructing” the recount and acting in “bad faith” as tabulations continue in Milwaukee and Dane counties. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6796 "2020-11-22T05:04:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Sorry, I’m only finding this on a Fox website. Here’s an AP story: > **[Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-dcb7da95578fc7289122c6d372575a9b)** > > MILWAUKEE (AP) — Election officials in Wisconsin’s largest county accused observers for President Donald Trump on Saturday of seeking to obstruct a recount of the presidential results, in some instances by objecting to every ballot tabulators pulled... ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6797 "2020-11-22T05:19:58Z")
They should have had a third picture of Gov Newsom at the French Laundry. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6798 "2020-11-22T05:32:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > “Stop the Steal” protesters in Atlanta today were threatening to destroy the Republican Party in Georgia, and boycott the Senate elections, or **else write in Individual 1.** I don’t see this is a lose at all. To fill _both_ Senate seats? Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6799 "2020-11-22T05:50:25Z")
It seems he did not sign an executive order, just announced it with a TV address, for national security reasons. In any case, it didn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6800 "2020-11-22T07:06:01Z")
The Individual 1 campaign has asked for _another_ recount on Georgia. > **[Trump campaign asks for another Georgia recount](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-campaign-asks-another-georgia-recount-n1248538)** > > A second try would be by machine and would not address the president's concerns about matching signatures with ballots for people who voted by mail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=338) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=340)