# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 340
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6801 "2020-11-22T07:11:17Z")
This will be the first recount; the other procedure was an audit. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6802 "2020-11-22T08:49:45Z")
The audit included a hand-count; this will be a second recount. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6803 "2020-11-22T10:47:09Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > How much weight would an order have? > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > No, it would be overturning a decision of the Supreme Court from 1898, that is, a precedent over a century old > > _…[snip]…_ > > Just another example of the amazing constitutional powers of President Trump, being able to overrule the Supreme Court itself. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Article XII and Amendment III: the two forgotten provisions of the Constitution. Also the XIV amendment. There way too much constitution involved, never mind court precedent, to overturn birthright citizenship with an executive order. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6804 "2020-11-22T10:49:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Under the 14th Am. at the time she was born, Harris is a natural born citizen. Trump can’t alter that. > Imagine the chaos if you could just “uncitizen” every single person who was born on US soil. Trump would LOVE to be able to “uncitizen” people. And you don’t have to imagine the chaos - that sort of thing happened during the Nazi regime. It’s happening today in Myanmar. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6805 "2020-11-22T11:11:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > > > Stop the Steal” protesters in Atlanta today were threatening to destroy the Republican Party in Georgia, and boycott the Senate elections, or **else write in Individual 1.** I don’t see this is a lose at all. > > To fill _both_ Senate seats? > > Priceless. Wonderful. That twerp is not a resident of Georgia so is not eligible for that office. Keep wasting thise votes! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6806 "2020-11-22T11:58:16Z")
The more votes the Trump True Believers waste the better off the rest of us will be. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6807 "2020-11-22T12:31:30Z")
Oh no Republicans, whatever you do DON’T boycott the Georgia runoffs or write in Trump’s name #Brer Rabbit. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6808 "2020-11-22T12:37:23Z")
Hah! (And the username-post combo adds a nice touch). ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6809 "2020-11-22T12:39:20Z")
I’m ambiguous about a large boycott. I support a small one, but loonies are comfortable enough with cognitive dissonance to both support a boycott and use the extremely lopsided results as evidence that the vote was rigged, with unknown consequences violence-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6810 "2020-11-22T14:23:48Z")
Yet another legal smackdown showing how pathetic the legal arguments that Trump’s team have been attempting truly are. "In this action, the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs (collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by Pennsylvanians from all corners – from Greene County to Pike County, and everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice." [From Pennsylvania](https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6811 "2020-11-22T15:40:52Z")
So DumpsterFire would seek to invalidated his mother’s citizenship (from Scotland GB at the time) and his father’s citizenship as well. [DumpsterFire has claimed on different occasions that his father was born in Sweden and also Germany]. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6812 "2020-11-22T16:01:19Z")
Don’t let the domestic terrorists win! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6813 "2020-11-22T16:03:37Z")
AIUI, Snowboarder\_Bo is correct. I heard something about this on the radio Tuesday or Thursday, where NPR was interviewing the guy in charge in Georgia. While the audit did include a recount, it wasn’t a ‘recount’ under the law. The legally-defined recount, according to the official, would be a machine recount; and my take was that it would not be as accurate as the recount just completed under the audit. Anyway, first recount or second recount depends on how you use the terminology and Georgian law. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mike\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_H)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6814 "2020-11-22T16:03:40Z")
No. Mary Anne MacLeod Trump was born in Scotland, and became a naturalized citizen in 1942, after she was married to Fred Trump (who was born in New York City). In other words, she applied to become a US citizen. What Trump would seek to do is to eliminate birthright citizenship (citizenship by fact of being born on US territory) , in clear contradiction to the 14th amendment. Many in the far right have been seeking to do this for years. Their usual gambit is to take the 14th amendment’s reading that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States” and declare that people born in the US, whose parents are not US citizens are “not subject to the juridiction” of the United States (i.e., such as applies to diplomats, etc.). Of course, this has the unfortunate side effect that such people cannot be prosecuted for crimes while they are here (although they can be deported…). ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6815 "2020-11-22T16:06:54Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Here’s an AP story: (In the story) > [County clerk] George Christenson said … many Trump observers were breaking rules by constantly interrupting vote counters with questions and comments. > “That’s unacceptable,” he said. He said some of the Trump observers “clearly don’t know what they are doing.” Imagine my shock. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6816 "2020-11-22T16:09:23Z")
According to wikipedia, Frederick Trump Sr. was naturalised a US citizen in 1892. Fred Trump Jr. was born in New York in 1905. Since his father was a citizen when he was born, the proposed change to birthright citizenship would not affect Fred Trump Jr. > **[Frederick Trump](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > > Frederick Trump (born Friedrich Trump, German pronunciation: \[fʁi:dʁɪç tʁʊmp\]; March 14, 1869 – May 30, 1918) was a German-born American barber and businessman. He was the patriarch of the Trump family and the paternal grandfather of Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States. > Born and raised in Kallstadt, Kingdom of Bavaria, Trump immigrated to the United States in 1885. In 1891, he began speculating in real estate in Seattle. Duri... ---
**Author:** ![MN\_Maenad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MN\_Maenad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MN_Maenad)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6817 "2020-11-22T16:14:42Z")
> [@The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux/911083/6789): > > “Stop the Steal” protesters in Atlanta today were threatening to destroy the Republican Party in Georgia, and boycott the Senate elections, or else write in Individual 1. I don’t see this is a lose at all. On one hand, I would LOVE to see them destroy the Republican party as it stands today. On the other, if Trump fans feel even more disenfranchised from the political process, the next step is armed revolt and trying for a new Revolution or Civil War, which would cause a lot of suffering. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6818 "2020-11-22T16:53:19Z")
I won’t say it’s impossible but given the lack of violence so far I don’t think it’s likely. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6819 "2020-11-22T17:03:20Z")
They haven’t _lost_ yet. Dear leader is still in office, fighting the good fight. And still, there are threats of violence, there are groups plotting to kidnap and execute govt officials and leaders. Once the election has officially been “stolen”, and $45 is being escorted off the premises, that’s when I would expect for their true natures to shine through. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6820 "2020-11-22T17:31:39Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Article XII and Amendment III: the two forgotten provisions of the Constitution. > [@Broomstick](#): > > Also the XIV amendment. > > There way too much constitution involved, never mind court precedent, to overturn birthright citizenship with an executive order. [Foghorn Leghorn] “That was a joke, Miss, a joke!” [/Foghorn Leghorn] 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=339) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=341)