# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 341
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6821 "2020-11-22T18:41:27Z")
> [@Mike\_H](#): > > No. Mary Anne MacLeod Trump was born in Scotland, and became a naturalized citizen in 1942, after she was married to Fred Trump (who was born in New York City). In other words, she applied to become a US citizen. What Trump would seek to do is to eliminate birthright citizenship (citizenship by fact of being born on US territory) , in clear contradiction to the 14th amendment. Many in the far right have been seeking to do this for years. Their usual gambit is to take the 14th amendment’s reading that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States” and declare that people born in the US, whose parents are not US citizens are “not subject to the juridiction” of the United States (i.e., such as applies to diplomats, etc.). Of course, this has the unfortunate side effect that such people cannot be prosecuted for crimes while they are here (although they can be deported…). Wouldn’t the more felicitous term be “expelled?” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6822 "2020-11-22T19:28:58Z")
Under Individual 1’s definition of birthright citizenship, Kamala Harris would not be eligible to be VP. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6823 "2020-11-22T21:37:16Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > According to wikipedia FAKE NEWS! ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6824 "2020-11-22T23:31:17Z")
It seems that yet another of the ‘very best’ has found themselves left on the side of the road, hoping someone will ignore her wild eyes and bad smell to give her a lift back home. > ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6825 "2020-11-22T23:38:39Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > The audit included a hand-count; this will be a second recount. If Biden wins Georgia three times, does he get 48 EV? Asking for a friend… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6826 "2020-11-22T23:46:42Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > They haven’t _lost_ yet. Dear leader is still in office, fighting the good fight. > > And still, there are threats of violence, there are groups plotting to kidnap and execute govt officials and leaders. > > Once the election has officially been “stolen”, and $45 is being escorted off the premises, that’s when I would expect for their true natures to shine through. I don’t know. Even the stupidest follower of Dear Leader must realize that once he’s gone, they have no legal cover whatsoever. If they act, it has to be when they think they can get away with it in the end. Without the pardon power out there, they are fucked if they resort to war/terrorism. Oh, who am I fooling? OF COURSE they are stupid enough to do it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6827 "2020-11-22T23:59:12Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Even the stupidest follower of Dear Leader must realize … I was all set to issue a demerit for using the word _realize_ in this context, but then you immediately rescued yourself: > [@](#): > > Oh, who am I fooling? OF COURSE they are stupid enough to do it anyway. 😋 ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6828 "2020-11-23T00:05:24Z")
**‘Remove Republic from Republican’** [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/nxY9LBR02JQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Remove Republic from Republican") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxY9LBR02JQ) This came out today from the Lincoln Project. I’m in Canada and don’t watch much TV anyway, so am curious to know if this ad is airing in the US or is it just for the record. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6829 "2020-11-23T00:40:25Z")
I call them Publicans, as in tax collectors. They _are_ for the middle class in that function. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6830 "2020-11-23T02:23:01Z")
I am curious why they show an overlay of a lizard on the last several guys near the end of the video. Just trying to say they are slimy? That is kind of weird especially knowing that the Q people think Democrats are lizard people. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6831 "2020-11-23T02:23:38Z")
Those looked like snakes to me. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6832 "2020-11-23T02:25:52Z")
Ah. Ok. That makes more sense. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6833 "2020-11-23T05:07:49Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > I call them Publicans, Or, they own or manage a pub? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6834 "2020-11-23T09:47:39Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Oh no Republicans, whatever you do DON’T boycott the Georgia runoffs or write in Trump’s name #Brer Rabbit. I would seriously love to see Stacey Abrams run this play. “People are saying that Trump can still win Georgia if his name is written in. I don’t think people should do this, as Joe Biden clearly has more votes by every current count.” ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6835 "2020-11-23T13:19:16Z")
Check out today’s headline in the Detroit _Metro Times_ > **[Lock the motherfucker up](https://www.metrotimes.com/news/lock-the-motherfucker-up-25831861)** > > For all the nefarious crap Florida Republicans pulled in 2000 — there was plenty, beginning with a racist purge of the state’s voter rolls —... > [@](#): > > The _ **Detroit Metro Times** _ is an progressive [alternative weekly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_weekly) located in [Detroit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit), [Michigan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan). It is the largest circulating weekly newspaper in the [metro Detroit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Detroit) area. > **[Metro Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Times)** > > The Detroit Metro Times is a progressive alternative weekly located in Detroit, Michigan. It is the largest circulating weekly newspaper in the metro Detroit area. > The Metro Times was an official sponsor of the now-defunct Detroit Festival of the Arts and had one of the stages named after it. > Supported entirely by advertising, it is distributed free of charge every Wednesday in newsstands, businesses. and libraries around the city and suburbs. Compared to the two dailies, the Detroit Free Press... ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6836 "2020-11-23T13:43:59Z")
Wow! WTG! I would love to see that headline in the NYTimes or WaPo. You know _they’d_ love to run it, too. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6837 "2020-11-23T14:08:01Z")
Not just the headline. The article lays out good points for charging Trump and, I assume, the shitheels who enabled him. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6838 "2020-11-23T14:48:02Z")
This is interesting > [@](#): > > **Michiganders Erupt After Their Maskless Lawmakers Sip Dom Perignon At Trump Hotel** > > After [appearing to acquit themselves rationally](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-shirkey-lee-chatfield-michigan-trump-normal-vote_n_5fb8625bc5b6cd86dfbd9b0b) following a controversial White House meeting with President [Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump) on Friday, Michigan’s lawmakers were photographed celebrating maskless and downing pricey Dom Perignon champagne in the Trump International Hotel. > … > > Chatfield and Republican Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey were summoned to Washington by Trump who, observers suspected, talked to them about using their power to sway the state’s electoral votes his way, regardless of Michigan’s vote backing [Joe Biden](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/joe-biden). > > The two legislators issued a joint statement after the meeting that they saw no problems with Michigan’s election and intended to [proceed with the “normal,” legal process](https://twitter.com/SenMikeShirkey/status/1329925843053899780?s=20) expected to confirm Biden as president-elect. > > But then Dom-gate broke, which triggered worries about what was really going on between the president and the lawmakers. Trump also mysteriously tweeted on Saturday that the Michigan legislators’ statement “was true but that wasn’t the way it was reported in the media.” > Voters’ fears about possible continuing plots were heightened Saturday when the Republican National Committee and Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox asked the state’s Board of State Canvassers [in a letter](https://www.migop.org/joint_letter_from_ronna_mcdaniel_and_laura_cox?recruiter_id=660242) to [delay certification of the state’s election results for two weeks](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republican-delay-michigan-election-results_n_5fb97430c5b6e4b1ea42eb20). That would “allow for a full audit and investigation” into alleged voting “anomalies and irregularities,” the letter stated. > **[Michiganders Erupt After Their Maskless Lawmakers Sip Dom Perignon At Trump...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shirkey-chatfield-michigan-dom-perignon-trump_n_5fb9d675c5b61d04bfa167cd)** > > Michigan legislators celebrated together after a secretive meeting with Trump, who has been plotting to overturn the state's vote for Joe Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6839 "2020-11-23T17:22:13Z")
Trump didn’t have to ask for their help; they freely offered it. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/6840 "2020-11-23T19:48:28Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > Under the 14th Am. at the time she was born, Harris is a natural born citizen. Trump can’t alter that. > > > > > Imagine the chaos if you could just “uncitizen” every single person who was born on US soil. > > Trump would LOVE to be able to “uncitizen” people. > > And you don’t have to imagine the chaos - that sort of thing happened during the Nazi regime. It’s happening today in Myanmar. Early in Trump’s administration, when the focus was on immigrants, I read of several instances where they confiscated the passports of American citizens trying to reenter the country, and forced them to prove they were born in the US. Totally aimed at American citizens with Hispanic heritage. IIRC Trump claimed many were based on faked affidavits of birthplace or something like that. The questions to prove citizenship were impossible, e.g. “Do you remember being born?” I have never heard any more about this & have wondered about the outcome – surely some group fought this and stopped it. But it was mixed in with so many other sleazy moves against immigrants, and American citizens with Hispanic last names, maybe not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=340) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=342)