# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 369
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7381 "2020-12-08T03:04:05Z")
Here’s an article that speaks to how the PAC money can be spent. > **[Trump's Save America PAC is raking in donations — what can that money be...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-save-america-pac-is-raking-in-donations-what-can-that-money-be-spent-on/)** > > Trump's Save America PAC and GOP entities have raised $207.5 million since Election Day. > the money is often used for more personal expenses that cannot be paid for by campaign funds. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7382 "2020-12-08T03:07:16Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > And exactly would happen if he doesn’t pay back the loans? My guess would be nothing. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7383 "2020-12-08T03:09:20Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > so he will find a creative way, illegal but hard to prove, that the money eventually ends up in his personal bank account? Something like that? It’s all his money, nobody else’s. From Chris Christie - and the debacle transition team. > **[‘This guy doesn’t know anything’: the inside story of Trump’s shambolic...](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/27/this-guy-doesnt-know-anything-the-inside-story-of-trumps-shambolic-transition-team)** > > Michael Lewis, author of Moneyball and The Big Short, reveals how Trump’s bungled presidential transition set the template for his time in the White House ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7384 "2020-12-08T03:11:53Z")
without reading the article, short attention span, personal expenses would be plane tickets, hotels etc? Not paying off debt that is not related to the campaign? And to Thelma Lou, something must happen. Not Trump going to jail, but if you owe a bank 400 million,and don’t pay it, something must happen ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7385 "2020-12-08T03:20:34Z")
The bank (Deutsche Bank) with the personal loans will foreclose on the properties that make up any collateral. The lending and associated properties here: > **[Trump has a half billion in loans coming due. They may be his biggest...](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/donald-trump-loans-deutsche-bank/)** > > “It’s highly disconcerting.” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7386 "2020-12-08T03:51:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hasn’t someone referred to “Trump vaccine” already? I’d be happy to go on TV to be seen being inoculated against Trump. Oh, not that kind of vaccine. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7387 "2020-12-08T03:53:23Z")
From the article: > What this means is that “although Trump cannot use campaign funds to pay himself or his family members excessive salaries, or to buy enough copies of Don Jr.'s book to land it on the bestseller list, he might try to use leadership PAC funds for such purposes,” Fischer said. The Campaign Legal Center has also pointed out instances where politicians have drawn from their leadership PACs to pay for trips to Disney World, golf excursions, Broadway tickets and luxury hotel stays. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7388 "2020-12-08T03:57:31Z")
A small biotech company in Germany, founded by the children of Turkish immigrants develops a vaccine. The world toasts them. Q-Tip comments, “[only in America](https://twitter.com/tzimmer_history/status/1335588857174249472)” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7389 "2020-12-08T04:11:04Z")
Individual 1 gave the Medal of Freedom to wrestling legend Dan Gable at the White House today. When the ceremony was done, individual 1 just walked out, leaving Gable standing there. > ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7390 "2020-12-08T04:14:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 gave the Medal of Freedom to wrestling legend Dan Gable at the White House today. **When the ceremony was done, individual 1 just walked out, leaving Gable standing there. -** > [https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1336110874021535744](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1336110874021535744) I’m really disappointed in the journalism displayed in this story. No one thought of the phrase “Gable was left to grapple with the situation.” ? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7391 "2020-12-08T04:28:00Z")
It wasn’t about him (DumpsterFire). At least he didn’t walk into a closet only to be let out later. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7392 "2020-12-08T05:05:24Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > The money he’s fleecing the idiots of . . . If you lie down with dogs you get fleas. If you lie down with Trump you get fleeced. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7393 "2020-12-08T06:42:05Z")
Trump says that Giuliani and Giuliani‘s efforts to overturn the election are [“more important”](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-giuliani-legal-efforts-more-important-than-nyc-mayor-911-2020-12) than the 9/11 response. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7394 "2020-12-08T06:44:20Z")
‘I don’t like people that are crushed by buildings, weak people, very weak.’ ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7395 "2020-12-08T07:22:50Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Trump says that Giuliani and Giuliani‘s efforts to overturn the election are [“more important”](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-giuliani-legal-efforts-more-important-than-nyc-mayor-911-2020-12) than the 9/11 response. Of course it’s more important. In a moment of actual candor – because there is no filter between his tiny brain and his pie hole – the orange toddler declared, a few days after losing the election, that “we had this big celebration planned, and then it all fell apart”. I mean, try to imagine that you were about four, and were promised this for your birthday, and then didn’t get it – that’s why American democracy must be overturned: [![](https://www.radioflyer.com/media/catalog/product/cache/a27c321defbe171e178713625d070d98/c/l/classic-red-dual-deck-tricycle-lifestyle-model-33_2_2.jpg) ](https://www.radioflyer.com/media/catalog/product/cache/a27c321defbe171e178713625d070d98/c/l/classic-red-dual-deck-tricycle-lifestyle-model-33_2_2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7396 "2020-12-08T09:21:26Z")
> [@gnarator](#): > > I’ve said elsewhere Trump will be on Mt. Rushmore. I’m all for putting Trump on Mt Rushmore. And leaving him there. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7397 "2020-12-08T11:19:42Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > And to Thelma Lou, something must happen. Not Trump going to jail, but if you owe a bank 400 million,and don’t pay it, something must happen > [@smithsb](#): > > The bank (Deutsche Bank) with the personal loans will foreclose on the properties that make up any collateral. The lending and associated properties here: I’ll believe it when I see it. And I’m **dyin’** to see it. I would love to see Donnie actually experience the unpleasant consequences of something he has done. But frankly, has he ever? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7398 "2020-12-08T11:25:59Z")
[https://www.axios.com/trump-pardons-white-house-19ab0914-1dcf-42b9-92f4-69cbaa5efb03.html](https://www.axios.com/trump-pardons-white-house-19ab0914-1dcf-42b9-92f4-69cbaa5efb03.html) > President Trump isn’t just accepting pardon requests but blindly discussing them “like Christmas gifts” to people who haven’t even asked, sources with direct knowledge of the conversations told Axios. > > **Behind the scenes:** Trump recently told one adviser he was going to pardon “every person who ever talked to me,” suggesting an even larger pardon blitz to come. As with most Trump conversations, the adviser wasn’t sure how seriously to take the president — although Trump gave no indication he was joking. > > **The big picture:** The president relishes his unilateral authority to issue get-out-of-jail-free cards. Lately, though, he’s been soliciting recipients, asking friends and advisers who they think he should pardon. > … This part cracked me up! 🤣 > One source felt awkward because the president was clearly trying to be helpful but the adviser didn’t believe they had committed any crimes. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7399 "2020-12-08T13:24:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I would love to see Donnie actually experience the unpleasant consequences of something he has done. But frankly, has he ever? He has now. And the results are not pretty. I suspect that the fallout of his tantrums will get far worse before it’s over, and will persist for a long time, perhaps resulting in some beneficial shakeups and reforms in the US political system. One really eye-opening thing that this disaster has accomplished is revealing how utterly unprincipled Republicans are, how much they’re willing to back and protect this complete and utter idiot as long as they think it serves their political interests. It’s not just appalling, it makes one question the very foundations of American democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/7400 "2020-12-08T13:59:23Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Trump recently told one adviser he was going to pardon “every person who ever talked to me” Which sounds impressive until you consider the number of people in his inner circle of whom he says “I don’t know anything about them”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=368) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=370)