# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 416
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8325 "2021-01-05T17:24:54Z")
'99% of everything that isn’t Scottish is CRAP!" - updated Sturgeon’s rule. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8326 "2021-01-05T17:36:10Z")
I’m not one to start rumors ( 😉) but hear Proud Boys leader Henry “Enrique” Tarrio is actually the main FBI informant in the group. His arrest is just cover to take him in, gather what he’s learned, and give him cred and deniability for the next few days. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8327 "2021-01-05T17:43:52Z")
There’s nothing particular new or surprising in this article, but the picture really tells you all you need to know about Trump supporters. > **['Fight like hell': grievance and denialism rule at Trump Georgia rally](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/05/fight-like-hell-grievance-and-denialism-rule-at-trump-georgia-rally)** > > Unrepentant president urges voters to support Republicans in the Senate runoffs on Tuesday and veers off script with bogus claims of a stolen election ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8328 "2021-01-05T17:49:48Z")
Can’t? They would shoot the plane down? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8329 "2021-01-05T17:51:07Z")
> [@the Guardian](#): > > Previewing Wednesday’s meeting of Congress to ratify the electoral college vote, he said of Mike Pence, the vice president who will oversee proceedings: “I hope Mike Pence comes through for us.” Wow, throwing Pence under the bus before the bus even gets here. Stylish. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8330 "2021-01-05T17:51:30Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > They can just have Epstein propped up by a couple of sticks, and it’s all good. Weekend at Epstein’s is a completely different movie. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8331 "2021-01-05T17:53:00Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Wow, throwing Pence under the bus before the bus even gets here. They could always tie him to the Amtrak line between DC and Delaware. That’d be fitting. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8332 "2021-01-05T18:00:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > but the picture really tells you all you need to know about Trump supporters. He’s passing! I also like the one without the mask on the left, playing Candy Crush or whatever on her phone, rather than actually paying attention to Dear Leader. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8333 "2021-01-05T18:02:39Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I also like the one without the mask on the left, playing Candy Crush or whatever on her phone, rather than actually paying attention to Dear Leader. - Maybe she’s watching the livestream. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8334 "2021-01-05T18:17:16Z")
… sitting here, thinking of how things would pan out if Trump tried to force a landing in Scotland on AF1 w/o permission, quite enjoying myself. To answer the question, odds are good that the plane lands but no one is allowed to disembark. Then, come The Date and The Hour, Trump is no longer President and Scottish options are more open. In time, they’ll take off and fly to Mozambique or somewhere. Maybe Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8335 "2021-01-05T19:08:25Z")
I bet they’d actually let him in if he forced it. That would not work out for regular peon Americans, but he’s special 🤢 He might be too chicken to force it. Why doesn’t he just go hide out in his suite at Mar-A-Lago? He’s probably mad at the neighbors but AFAIK he’s not barred from going there and probably won’t ever be despite the potential lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8336 "2021-01-05T19:15:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > There’s nothing particular new or surprising in this article, but the picture really tells you all you need to know about Trump supporters. I love that the guy behind Trump wearing the _Blacks for Trump_ sweatshirt is very clearly white. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8337 "2021-01-05T19:56:27Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > I bet they’d actually let him in if he forced it. That would not work out for regular peon Americans, but he’s special The thing is, the UK is an autonomous nation whether Trump likes it or not. They have every right to keep him out, even if he was still president, though it would create a diplomatic kerfuffle. And if he was no longer president it would be a complete non-issue to bar his fat ass from entry for frivolous reasons during a pandemic lockdown. It’s the sort of situation that’s very rare because there have been very few lunatics like the orange shit-gibbon in a position to force such issues. But one famous example I could point out is that many years ago, when Khrushchev visited the US and was in LA, he asked to visit Disneyland. The authorities said “no”. Khrushchev went into a rage, but there was nothing he could do about it: > **[Khrushchev barred from visiting Disneyland | September 19, 1959 | HISTORY](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/khrushchev-barred-from-visiting-disneyland)** > > In one of the more surreal moments in the history of the Cold War, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev explodes with anger when he learns that he cannot visit Disneyland. The incident marked the climax of Khrushchev’s day in Los Angeles, one that was... ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8338 "2021-01-05T20:04:48Z")
Oh yeah, they have every right to keep him out and IMO should, but I think they’d let him in if he pressed it, especially if he’s still president when he arrives. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8339 "2021-01-05T20:07:52Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Well, the version of ASL “clusterfuck” you can show on TV… Slight sidetrack: swearing in ASL is very expressive. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pdOU3czs-NY/maxresdefault.jpg "Deaf People Teach Us Bad Words | Deaf People Tell | Cut") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdOU3czs-NY) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8340 "2021-01-05T20:21:15Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#): > > Can’t? They would shoot the plane down? Are you under the impression that sovereign nations do not have the right to determine who can enter their country, and the means to enforce it? Of course an aircraft that presented no physical threat would not be shot down, but if it landed without ATC clearance, and nobody on board had proper authorization to enter the country, everyone on board would be arrested and either prosecuted or deported. But of course this would never happen, because the crew know this, and they would not leave the U.S. without authorization to enter the U.K. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8341 "2021-01-05T21:02:25Z")
Also - what the US president might be able to get away with - just showing up and asking to land without getting formal permission first - is different than what a private citizen at 12:01 pm on January 20 can get get away with. Even if Trump goes to Scotland (or anywhere else) before Biden is inaugurated the moment Biden formally becomes PotUS Trump might find himself just another illegal immigrant. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8342 "2021-01-05T21:07:41Z")
Even if he tries to enter the U.K. on Jan 19th, it’s transparently clear that he’s not going _in his capacity_ as head of state. There’s no reason, even on the 19th, that the U.K. would feel any kind of diplomatic obligation to let him enter. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8343 "2021-01-05T21:11:24Z")
Eh, I say let him in, let him go. Then at 12:01, he can be arrested as an illegal immigrant, and stay in the UK’s detention facilities for a few years, until they find a country that’s willing to take him. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8344 "2021-01-05T21:15:13Z")
I’m not so sanguine on the flying onto Russia scenario unannounced, either. The pilots might like their jobs, but I don’t think they’d be so keen on attempting something like crossing international air borders without filing flight plans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=415) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=417)