# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083 "2020-06-22T03:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 422
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8445 "2021-01-07T20:09:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Not to beat this to death, but I’d like to see anyone attempt to enforce this. It was some kind of community agreement, right? Like a contract? Not a _law_ (not that it would make any difference to him). it’s listed in the tax rolls as not a domicile. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8446 "2021-01-07T20:16:07Z")
[I know it’s been discussed ad nauseum here, but we’re getting down to crunch time, and the NYT has an article out today that Trump is pretty damn close to pardoning himself in the final days of his term.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html) > Mr. Trump has shown signs that his level of interest in pardoning himself goes beyond idle musings. He has long maintained he has the power to pardon himself and his polling of aides’ views is typically a sign that he is preparing to follow through on his aims. He has also become increasingly convinced that his perceived enemies will use the levers of law enforcement to target him after he leaves office. > The discussions between Mr. Trump and his aides about a self-pardon came before his pressure over the weekend on Georgia officials to help him try to overturn the elections results or his incitement of the riots at the Capitol. Trump allies believe that both episodes increased Mr. Trump’s criminal exposure. > As aides urged Mr. Trump to issue a strong condemnation on Wednesday and he rejected that advice, the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, warned Mr. Trump that he could face legal exposure for the riot given that he had urged his supporters to march to the Capitol and “fight” beforehand, according to people briefed on the discussion. Mr. Trump had appeared to White House aides to be enjoying watching the scenes play out on television. So, the final two weeks? This shit’s gonna be bananas. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8447 "2021-01-07T20:28:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > it’s listed in the tax rolls as not a domicile. So it’s up to the local taxing authority (county?) to enforce it? With what-- electric staplers? More fines/lawsuits that he will ignore? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8448 "2021-01-07T20:31:30Z")
[# Perino: Don’t tar all Trump supporters with violence we saw at Capitol](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/perino-dont-tar-all-trump-supporters-with-violence-we-saw-at-capitol/vi-BB1cyURk) Fuck you. You are a part of the insurrection by spreading lies about ‘fraud’ bullshit. You encouraged them, You helped egg them on. You are guilty. And if you had any decency, you would be ashamed. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8449 "2021-01-07T20:32:57Z")
Yep. I predicted the craziest two weeks in American history, and I think I may be right. Every single Republican candidate is to blame. They spent 6 months ginning up fear of the Radical leftist mob that will be “coming for you” if the Democrats won. They promised their supporters that Democrats would burn down their neighborhoods and take their money and give it to black people if they were re-elected. Then they told those same people that they really won, but the Democrats stole the election just so they could destroy them and their country. _ **WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY EXPECT TO HAPPEN ?** _ They need to quit acting surprised, this was completely predictable. It was inevitable. Hmmm…I intended to reply about pardons but I got sidetracked. I think Biden needs to promise to issue all these pardons so Trump doesn’t have to. Then on January 21st, he can say HA HA MOTHERFUCKER…PSYCH, I LIED…and by the way, when I said I wasn’t going to have my DOJ go after you, I lied about that, too. Won’t happen, but it was a nice fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8450 "2021-01-07T20:44:26Z")
> **[Graham: Trump’s legacy ‘tarnished,’ but not supportive yet of 25th Amendment](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533205-graham-trumps-legacy-tarnished-but-not-supportive-yet-of-25th-amendment/)** > > Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Thursday warned that President Trump’s legacy was undercut after rioters supportive of challenging the election results breached the Capitol on Wednesday, he a… **L. Graham:** Why I do de-clay-ah, if Trump orchestrates one more, I say, one more coup, we’ll just have to see what happens…_flutters fan in front of himself and walks away with a smile_ ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8451 "2021-01-07T20:45:21Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Every single Republican candidate is to blame. They spent 6 months ginning up fear of the Radical leftist mob that will be “coming for you” if the Democrats won. They promised their supporters that Democrats would burn down their neighborhoods and take their money and give it to black people if they were re-elected. > > Then they told those same people that they really won, but the Democrats stole the election just so they could destroy them and their country. > > _ **WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY EXPECT TO HAPPEN ?** _ > > They need to quit acting surprised, this was completely predictable. It was inevitable. And bunches of angry Trumpists were all over social media for months in advance [announcing their deliberate plans](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/violent-threats-ripple-through-far-right-internet-forums-ahead-protest-n1252923) to employ intimidation and violence: > [@](#): > > “In regards to the protests planned for January 6th, the violent rhetoric we’re seeing online is at a new level,” said Daniel J. Jones, president of Advance Democracy Inc., a global research organization that studies disinformation and extremism. “There are endorsements of violence across all of the platforms.” > > A new report from Advance Democracy chronicled a wide variety of posts about the protests, including many that anticipated violence from other groups and called for people to arm themselves. > > On Twitter, QAnon-related accounts posted conspiracy theories alleging that Black Lives Matter and antifa activists were going to kill supporters of President Donald Trump at the protest and suggested that protesters arm themselves Wednesday, calling it “Independence Day.” > > On TikTok, several videos with hundreds of thousands of views promoted violence at the rally. A user with a militia-related avatar told viewers to carry guns even though firearms are prohibited in the areas of the city where the demonstrations are taking place. > > “Take your motherf—ing guns. That’s the whole point of going,” the person said. > > Threats have also been posted to Parler, a Twitter alternative favored by conservatives and users who have been banned from larger platforms for hate speech, misinformation or other policy violations. Thousands of posts included hashtags associated with a second civil war. > > On TheDonald, a far-right message board that formed after its community was banned from Reddit, moderators were promoting some calls for violence. > > Calls for violence were among the top five comments on more than half of the posts discussing congressional certification of votes, while 12 percent “explicitly endorsed violence in the main post itself,” according to the Advance Democracy report. And then when a gang of these goons, entirely predictably and predictedly, start some violent shit and look like they might actually get in some serious trouble for it, they run away bawling “MOMMMMY IT WASN’T MEEEEE, IT WAS THAT MEAN ANTIFA KID FROM NEXT DOOR!” What a bunch of craven asswipes. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8452 "2021-01-07T20:52:01Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > but I would not be surprised if he secretly would have liked Trump to get convicted early last year. I think that Mcconnell secretly wished Trump would never be elected, but If McConnell had secretly wanted him removed from office last year Trump would have been removed. McConnell would have set up a real trial in the Senate rather than that sham the we ended up with and if he pushed could easily have found another 16 like minded Senators to go along with him to boot Trump out. Presumably he reasoned that as bad as a president Trump was for the Republican brand, an successfully impeached Trump would have been worse. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8453 "2021-01-07T20:59:50Z")
[Rush Limbaugh](https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/1347267821710024705): “There’s a lot of people calling for the end of violence…I am glad Sam Adams, Thomas Paine, the actual Tea Party guys, the men at Lexington and Concord didn’t feel that way.” God help me, never before have I ever come this close to rooting for cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8454 "2021-01-07T21:05:01Z")
I don’t think he could have allowed a real trial without enraging the Trumpists. He certainly couldn’t have allowed Trump to be convicted. I think most Republican actions can be framed around their fear of the horde. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8455 "2021-01-07T21:09:40Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I think most Republican actions can be framed around their fear of the horde. They are the horde. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8456 "2021-01-07T22:45:08Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > You are guilty. And if you had any decency, you would be ashamed. And if my aunt had wheels she’d be a bus. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8457 "2021-01-07T22:48:01Z")
This is just a fun headline. I’ll just leave this here for your enjoyment. [Pelosi Vows to Impeach Trump Again - If Pence Doesn’t Remove Him First](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/533180-pelosi-trump-should-be-removed-immediately) Sorta sounds like they are fighting over who gets to do the honors. Which they might be. Pence is supposedly furious at Trump. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8458 "2021-01-07T22:49:52Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [… Trump is pretty damn close to pardoning himself in the final days of his term.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html) Trap door, though. There is absolutely no way in hell that ShitStain could actually author a pardon. He has to get one of his staff to compose it and print it up. It will be comprised of about 500 words. Orange ShitStain will be able to read about thirty or forty of them, the remainder becoming some vague blurry legalese that he will briefly skim before signing. Hence, whatever the author puts into the pardon will go right past him. The person who writes up the pardon wants to have a real future beyond the festering ignominy of having worked in the WhiteStainHouse. What do you suppose that person might embed in the text? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8459 "2021-01-07T23:01:51Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > This is just a fun headline. I’ll just leave this here for your enjoyment. > > [Pelosi Vows to Impeach Trump Again - If Pence Doesn’t Remove Him First](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/533180-pelosi-trump-should-be-removed-immediately) > > Sorta sounds like they are fighting over who gets to do the honors. Which they might be. **Pence is supposedly furious at Trump.** - Ooh, is he going to give Trump a stern look? Maybe even a disapproving glance? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8460 "2021-01-07T23:11:25Z")
I’m betting Mother could kick his ass… ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8461 "2021-01-07T23:11:49Z")
Biggest Lie Of The Day [# White House press secretary: Capitol rioters are ‘opposite of everything this administration stands for’](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-press-secretary-capitol-rioters-are-opposite-of-everything-this-administration-stands-for/vi-BB1cz6mU) ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8462 "2021-01-07T23:29:35Z")
First president since Hoover to leave office having lost his party the White House, Senate and House of Representatives by the end of the first term. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8463 "2021-01-08T00:55:59Z")
[# Trump condemns riots, says he will focus on transition in taped remarks](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-condemns-riots-says-he-will-focus-on-transition-in-taped-remarks/ar-BB1czdt7?ocid=Peregrine) Yesterday, he loved them. Today…oh look! A bus! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/8464 "2021-01-08T01:01:55Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [# Trump condemns riots, says he will focus on transition in taped remarks](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-condemns-riots-says-he-will-focus-on-transition-in-taped-remarks/ar-BB1czdt7?ocid=Peregrine) > > Yesterday, he loved them. Today…oh look! A bus! - Trump has dispatched so many buses he could get a job at Greyhound. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=421) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083.md?page=423)